1/25    Why was Mainland China willing to give up outer Mongolia before but is
        not willing to give up Taiwan now?  Thanks.
        \_ Republic of China lost Mongolia because CKS made a deal with Soviet.
           Give up Mogolia, in return, stop assistance to Communist in China.
           Of course, Soviet never kept their end of bargain.  Thus, Republic
           of China revolked its recognization of Mogolian's soverignty.
           Until this day, Republic of China (e.g. taiwan) still claim
           soverignty over Mogolia. When Communist overran the mainland,
           as part of cozy up with Soviets and the fact that majority of
           nations already recognize Mogolia as a nation, PRC gave up the
           soverignty.   This is one of the most shameful part of
           the Republic's history.  And for this reason alone, The Republic of
           China deserved to be overthrowned.           kngharv
           \_ Wow, using this logic, I could argue that the PRC giving up
              Mongolia to cozy up with the Soviets was one of the most
              shameful parts of PRC's history.
              \_ I am not happy with that, but remember unlike ROC, PRC never
                 had Mongolia.  ROC literally handed it to Soviet red army
                 and then later when it changed its mind it rewrote history
                 to pretend otherwise.  CKS also cozied up to Stalin for quite
                 a long time and never rose up to the soviets (except for
                 kidnapping a wrecked civilian ship).  PRC on the other
                 hand fought a very bloody skirmash with the soviets.
        \_ Give up?  When was Outer Mongolia part of China?  Are there even
           very many Chinese people living there?
           \_ Depends on how the communist party like to define "Chinese".
           \_ From what I read, Outer Mongolia broke away from China in 1921
              under Soviet backing.  The ROC govt never released claim to
              that land, but the PRC did.  After 1949, Taiwan's version of the
              map of R. O. China still included Outer Mongolia while Mainland's
              version of P. R. China didn't.
              \_ But the population is less than 0.1% Chinese.
                 \_ Depends on your definition of "Chinese".  The common
                    Chinese (Han?) definition includes more than the Han.
           \_ Most americans (left and right alike, except the neo-nazis and
              klansman) would find it very offensive/ignorant if someone tell
              them only the whites are Americans, but are utterly eager to make
              the same statement about other multi-ethnic countries.  Why?
        \_ Is it that not obvious in terms of geography and economy of each
           country?
        \_ "Why" doesn't matter.  "Whether" matters.
        \_ The soviets occupied Outer mongolia by force.  As for the later
           posts, outer Mongolia was expelling large number of Chinese living
           there all the way into the 80's, so yes, at least the outer Mongolia
           government thought there are many chinese living there.
        \_ There was a revolution.  Previous government withdrew to Taiwan.
           New government stayed in China.  Previous government is not
           currently in Mongolia.  Duh.