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2005/1/13-14 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:35707 Activity:very high
1/13    Can ordinary people still change the world with ingenious inventions
        and patents (like Edison and light bulb) (or at least make themselves
        rich) or is this now completely in the hands of large corp with
        crackpots making noise on the side?  This is a serious question, not
        a troll about bad patents.
        \_ http://66.70.64.5/news/0501,essay,59733,2.html [village voice]
        \_ I know for a fact that there are independent inventors who make
           good money, and occasionally millions off of their inventions.
           As far as changing the world the way Edison or better yet
           Tesla did?   Probably not.
           \_ On a vaguely related note, I hate Edison.  I think he's a nasty
              glory hound, and an ass.  You forgot the google founders, you
              can reasonably say google changed the world. -- ilyas
              \_ ilyas, don't you think these are precisely the quality that
                 made him a successful man in the real world?
                 \_ Probably. -- ilyas
              \_ Not really. The preceding engines (altavista, webcrawler,
                 etc.) weren't dramatically different... Google just did
                 better, but also avoided making the main page an ugly adfest.
                 The concept of building a searchable web index is also a
                 rather natural extension of the world wide web which is the
                 underlying innovation.
                 \_ And the www was really just a friendly front end to
                    ftp, which is simple a way to move information around,
                    much like a pile of tapes in a truck or even books on
                    a horse drawn wagon, and there is no new thing under
                    the sun.
                    \_ ftp simple?  have you looked at the protocol?
                 \_ By this reasoning the light bulb was just a natural
                    evolution of the candle which, in turn, the sun was the
                    underlying innovation.  Heh, nothing new under the sun
                    indeed.  If you're religiously inclined, the underlying
                    innovation was when God said ``Let there be light.''
                    \_ No, that's not my reasoning at all. My main point was
                       that Google didn't invent crawling search engines.
                       My secondary point is that even without that, I think
                       the interactive WWW would retain a big part of its
                       usability. It would take too long to defend that idea
                       to you motd rabble.
                       \_ Google's main contribution isn't crawling, but
                          using links to rank.  That's what makes (made?)
                          google good.  The problem is that link popularity
                          is succeptible to collusion, which is a nasty
                          can of worms.  I don't know how you use the
                          net, but my usage would suffer a lot if
                          google went away.  Of course, I use scholar
                          for 50% of my queries, and link ranking works
                          great for publications. -- ilyas
                          \_ I was used to using more terms/exclusions/phrases
                             to get results, and first switched to Google for
                             UI and speed. Google is good, and something like
                             scholar didn't exist I guess. But the ideas here,
                             well, I remember searching periodicals on the
                             library PC way back. The concepts don't seem like
                             genius to me but the execution is excellent.
                             \_ The concept of link ranking may not be
                                genius to you, but neither one of us thought of
                                it.  It's easy to be a hindsight innovator.
                                  -- ilyas
                                \_ Actually I don't know if I thought of it.
                                   I can remember reading some stuff about
                                   search engines and ranking schemes way back.
                                   If it occurred to me that linking is a
                                   measure of relevancy I wouldn't have done
                                   anything with it... I mean there are only
                                   so many basic parameters associated with
                                   web pages. I know what you're saying but
                                   look at the speed involved. If Google didn't
                                   do that someone else would in short order.
                                   \_ I think that's true for almost any
                                      significant innovation. -- ilyas
                          \_ If Google went away you could use lycos,
                             hotbot, altavista, and so on. I actually
                             dislike using Yahoo! now compared to when it
                             ran Inktomi. I don't see any value-added in
                             Google over any other search engine.
           \_ Recent people in history in IT who have changed the industry:
              Jobs and Wozniak (Jobs was a slacker, Wozniak was an i
                                engineer at HP)
              Mitch Kapor (he used to be a disc jockey and
                           entry level programmer)
              The guy from napster (just a college kid)
              Nolan Bushnell was supposedly just a second rate EE when
              he stumbled onto Pong.
              Linus Torvaldis - smelly kid from Finland who had too much time
                                on his hands and fate conspired to kill
                                BSD because of the lawsuits.
              \_ What about coming up with a great idea that is not patented
                 (a couple times) already, then have someone else bring it to
                 market?  All the above examples are people who got help from
                 VC and built the stuff they conceived.  (Except Linus, but
                 he falls in a different category altogether.) They are more
                 entrepreneur than inventors.  Not all inventors are or want
                 to be entrepreneurs.
                 \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison
                    Edison was an entrepreneur also.
              \_ Bill Gates - Before Gates, everybody in IT thought only good
                              or okay products could dominate a market.
        \_ Some other people who have changed the world w/ their ideas and
           inventions are: K&R (no unix/c w/o K&R), James Gosling (most ugs
                           \_ unix was created primarily by ken thompson.
           don't even learn C these days), Larry Wall, Seymour Cray (invented
           the multi-proc concept), Shockley (no computers w/o transistors),
           Tim Berners-Lee, &c.
        \_ Ordinary people never change the world.  That's why they're
           ordinary.  (BTW I'm ordinary)
           \_ I think the OP meant "individual people".
        \_ How about people like George Soros or Charles Schwab? Do people
           who invent new understandings of economics or who invent new
           ways of doing business count in your book?
           \_ Burton G. Malkiel, author of A Random Walk Down Wall Street.  He
              didn't originate the efficient markets theory, but did a lot to
              champion it, and arguably is responsible for Vanguard's creation
              of index funds that `ordinary' (read people like you and me
              without millions to invest) people could invest in.
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Most of these inventions we re not completely original but improvements of earlier patents, and were actually made by his numerous employees - Edison was frequently critici zed for not sharing the credits. Charles Cros) were contemplating the notion that sou nd waves might be recorded and reproduced, Edison was the first to publi cally demonstrate a device to actually do so, and this was so unexpected by the public at large as to appear almost magical. It was the first institution set up with the specif ic purpose of producing constant technological innovation and improvemen t Most of the inventions there carried Edison as the inventor, though h e primarily supervised the operation and work of his employees. Most of Edison's patents were utility patents, with only about a dozen be ing design patents. Many of his inventions were not unique, but Edison d emonstrated an abilirty to win the patents and beat his opponents by inf luence and better marketing. Edison took the features of these earlier designs and set his worker s to the task of creating longer-lasting bulb. After Edison purchased th e Woodward and Evans patent of 1875, his employees experimented with a l arge number of different materials in order to increase the bulb's burni ng time. By 1879 they had achieved the goal of increasing the burning ti me enough to make the light bulb commercially viable. Nikola Tesla and Edison became adv ersaries due to Edison's promotion of DC for electric power distribution over the more efficient alternating current (AC) advocated by Tesla, wh o patented AC in Graz, Austria. Edison presided personally over several electrocutions of animals, primarily st ray cats and dogs, for the benefit of the press to prove that his system of DC was safer than that of AC. HVDC) transmission systems have become more common in certain situations. HVDC systems are presentl y used for some specialised applications like the underwater interconnec tion of power systems. edit Work relations As exemplified by the light bulb story, most of Edison's inventions were improvements of ideas by others, achieved through a diligent and industr ial approach and team-based development. He was the undisputed head of t he team but usually did not share credit for the inventions. He himself said: "genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspirati on." Nikola Tesla, possibly Edison's most famous employee and who w ent on to be a great scientist and inventor in his own right, said about Edison's method of problem-solving: "If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to ex amine straw after straw until he found the object of his search. I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculat ion would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor." Edison Illuminating Company), Charles Batchellor (Manager of the Edison works) and Nikola Tesla, one of the group suggested guessing weights and Tesla was induced to step on a scale. Edison guessed that Te sla weighed 152 pounds (69 kg), to an ounce. Johnson confidentially rela ted to Tesla that Edison could guess individuals' weight as he had devel oped the skill when he was employed for a long time in a Chicago slaught er-house where he weighed thousands of hogs every day. Edison's influenc e on the history of film stretches beyond that of the instigator of film production and must be given credit for establishing the standard of us ing 35 mm (then 1 and 3/8 inches) film with 4 perforations on the edge o f each frame that allowed film to emerge as a mass medium and not just a vaudeville novelty.