1/7     ilya, I'm in LA. I've never in my life been in a traffic jam
        such as the one I was in in the last 3 hours, 1 hour of that
        on a 2 mile stretch. Also I've never in my life seen so many
        aggressive, rude, middle finger pointing SUV drivers. My god,
        how do you stand living here? I hate LA.
        \_ I stay off the freeways, and live within 10 minute's driving
           distance of everywhere I need to go.  When I was first moving
           to LA, I specifically made a longish trip down to look for
           an appropriately placed apartment.  As for your comments on
           the people, the soul of LA is repulsive to me.  Maybe that's
           why I don't like UCLA. -- ilyas
           \_ the sould of <insert your hometown> is repulsive to me
        \_ Pfft, like it's any better in the bay area. You ever been
           stuck on the bay bridge during rush? Anyway, if you had any
           sense about LA, you'd learn to get OFF the freeway
           during times like these. ANd yes, they drive agressive,
           none of this pussy ass driving you get in the bay area.
           \_ Agressive? In California?  Yeah, whatever.  Go drive around
              New York City for a while, and you'll learn what agressive
              driving means.  Or Boston.  Agressive driving is when you're
              sitting at a red light with your *left* blinker on, and someone
              honks at you for not running the light, swerves around you
              on your right, flips you off and honks again, and then cuts
              in front of you to turn *left* on the red.  Ever see that in
              California?
        \_ learn to drive aggressively in LA. People here drive A LOT,
           and waste a lot of time stuck in traffic so naturally they're
           pissed about having to drive, let alone getting along with passive
           drivers like you.
                \_ LA drivers are not aggressive, they're just plain shitty.
                   they don't know how to drive, period. if it rains, they
                   slow down to 5mph. even if there's moisture on the road,
                   they slow down to the same. if there's a cop on the side
                   of the road, they slow down to rubberneck. they are all
                   assholes 1) who can't drive and 2) are moronic enough
                   to subject themselves to LA traffic year after year.
                   \_ I find the opposite problem in NoCal; drivers treat
                      too many drivers drive on wet roads like it's dry.
                      It's annoying, not to mention dangerous.  In any
                      case, LA traffic is easily managed if you have
                      familiarity with surface streets, many of which
                      can cut your commute times in half.