1/2 US often does not deliver the money it pledges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/30/opinion/30thu2.html
\-I believe the US gives more private charity than
Europe and the US also makes a lot of non money
contributions [security burden, say w.r.t. to
Korea, Taiwan, Japan, NATO etc]. I think these
aggregate numbers dont however capture some
distribution issues. For example the US has
given $200bn in aid to Israel alone [pop ~6m]
over the last 30yrs. If you take out Israel,
Egypt and Philippines, the total numbers are
pretty low. --psb
\_ give me a break. We were "protecting" Phillipines,
but when Japanese invaded, we gave up that island
without putting up with a good fight. Those "security"
burden are imposed by USA themselves for USA's own
interest. To compare what US 7th fleet doing versus
donations from Red Cross is ridiculous.
\- nobody is calling this kind of thing humanitarian
aid, and some of it is certainly self-serving. however
this kind of "hegemonic stability" does have real
benefits. to take a less controversial example, take
the US GPS satellites. the US certainly spent more
resources in europe's backyard in the post-yugoslavia
conflict than a lot of the countries criticizing the
US. i think it's clear i'm not an apologist for
the us govt like some hacks here, but the simplitic
view on aid does miss some very relevant considerations.
--psb
\_ I called that American Imperalism. And there are
plenty of downside to it. You probably don't live
outside USA often, you have no idea what kind of
misdeed Amercan has done to other nations, from
as benign as bending trade rules to American
advantage (DMCA, currency manipulatn) to overthrown
of governments (Iran, Chili, Guatemala, and now,
Afganistan and Iraq); not to mention our barbaric
policy toward dozen Arab nations which spawn radical
Fundamental Islamic movement we are facing today.
It is hard to see the downside of it unless some
other country is dominating the world. Given the
choice, I would much prefer three to five
dominating powers in the world than American
hegemony. -kngharv
\_ Maybe this is off-topic, but no one really has a
right to complain. The fifth fleet and US military
has secured Middle East oil for 15 y. World sea
commerce prospers because the US Navy, and less so
\- well, it's not only the USNavy ... for example the
indian navy does some anti-piracy stuff in the
indian ocean. not all the security issues are
state vs state, "high politics" and national
security, but yeah there are a lot of free-
riding and coat tail effects [like the us funded
tsunami monitoring program] but a lot of that is
pocket change. the US's real power is to shape
things in "convenient" directions ... like in
the area of IP regimes ... like the GE/Chakraborty
oil eating bacteria case that opened the door to
orgaism patents, but the place with soverignty
over where some useful organism is found in nature
doesnt necessarily have any rights [say amazon],
or the exceptions to free trade [steel, agri,
textiles] etc.
\_ India doesn't have a blue water navy, only the
US and less so Britain. I would not call
maintaining the US Navy and enforcing the doctrine
of MAD during the Cold War or ABM now as
"pocket change".
\_ "ABM"? You mean anti-missile defense? You
have got to be fucking kidding me. Yeah,
without the charity of the American tax payer,
those poor defense contractors might actually
have to build useful stuff that actually fucking
works. Let us all take a moment to thank God
and the GOP for giving them this bounty of pork.
\_ TMD already functions... I'm not fucking
kidding you.
\_ wtf is TMD? Total missile defense?
I don't believe it, and if it existed,
it would be instant missile crisis.
Related question: Why does W trust the
ABM but tests the kids every year to make
sure?
\_ TMD == The Mean Dude. He's a 280 lbs
redneck who sits on a rock on Kodiak
island with a billion dollar
shotgun and hundred million dollar
shells. If he sees a missile with
a North Korean flag on it go over head,
he takes long pull from his flask of
hundred million dollar moonshine and
blasts away. TMD has an over 75%
success rate against all road sign
test targets.
\- there are problems the US doesnt consider of
interest and the dont devote resources to it.
i am not saying the us's "hegemony" doesnt
have widespread benefits. i gave a specific
example of "regional maritime policing". i didnt
say they have a global projection capability
and i am not sure why it is important to decide
whether it is a "blue water fleet" or not. --psb
the British, secures the high seas. No one else
has a blue water navy. And don't overlook the paltry
contribution of a few trillion during the Cold
War.
\_ People took it for granted, but if the US had not
wiped out the aborigines, the world would have been
under the tyranny of the indians. There would be no silicon
implant nor viagra. The whole world benefited from US!!! |