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2004/12/30-31 [Science/Disaster] UID:35497 Activity:high
12/30   According to a Chinese website.  Thailand's officials heard of the
        earthquake Sunday morning but decided not to take action, fearing
        that it would affect tourism.  A 2002 7.6 quake in Sumatra did
        not result in any tsunami, so they thought this one won't be a
        problem either.
        \_ if they hadn't cut down all the coastal mangrove forests
           to build sets for that goddamn movie THE BEACH and built
           tourists resorts... ON THE BEACH, maybe casualties would
           have been a bit lower.  barren sand has a lot more
           difficulty absorbing floodwaters than the original jungle.
           \_ but there would be more debris like trees hitting
              into people and killing them...
              \_ Mmm.. flaunting ignorance.
                 \_ Yeah, I know -- the idea of mangrove trees stopping a
                    tidal wave is a fuck-stupid notion.
           \_ If humans don't reproduce as much, there are less casualties.
                                                           \_ fewer
              \_ Australian leaders urge citizens to breed more:
                 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4115829.stm
                 \_ Aussie leaders are rabidly anti-immigration and yet
                    recognize that they need more people to keep their
                    economy alive.  Solution?  Close your eyes and think
                    of Australia, Sheila.
                \_ yes I AGREE!!! I have this theory that if there were less
                                                                        \_ fewer
                   people, there would be less conflicts in regard
                                          \_ fewer
                   to land (sharing land), in regard to religion
                   (less physical proximity thus contact), less
                                                           \_ fewer
                   resources (oil, food, minerals) to fight for, etc.
                   However, most of the people I've talked to disagree.
                   \_ And there would be less people to disagree with you,
                      too.  It's scary that I'm only half joking.
           \_ you seriously have know idea of the destructive forces of
              30-60 feet of water moving at 50-100 mph.  mangroves stopping
              it?  sand absorbing it?  the only ones that survived
              were on high ground or lucky enough to be thrown forcefully
              to high ground.  -alum in thailand (the dry part)
              \_ Dear AiT, where are you?  Are you on vacation or are you
                 working?  Are you blogging your experiences?
                 working?  Are you blogging your experiences? Genuinely
                 curious.
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Printable version Letter: Australia's baby bust Sarah MacDonald By Sarah MacDonald Journalist and broadcaster Local journalist Sarah MacDonald says her country's reputation as a natio n of sun-kissed, healthy youngsters is out-of-date as recent surveys sug gest the population is ageing rapidly. The government has responded by trying to encourage Australians to breed, but the policy is not proving entirely popular. Elderly people A declining birth rate is leading to an ageing population As I hung the tinsel on my tree and fireplace this week, I couldn't help reminiscing about the Christmas days of my childhood. Not just my favourite presents and the rituals of a hot traditional meal on a sticky humid summer's day but also the disappointments. My father was an obstetrician and he never ever managed to stay home an e ntire Christmas day. Every year, usually just as he was about to carve t he turkey, the phone would ring and we would all groan. He would return from answering it to say: "Sorry, kids - gotta go and help a baby Jesus be born." But if he was still working, it's possible he would have got to enjoy the entire Christmas experienc e anyway. That's because fewer children are being born now than when he practised. Australia is experiencing a baby shortage that is being called a baby bu st by some and a "fertility crisis" by others. Replacement The Australian population recently passed the 20 million mark. We're only producing 17 and that is predicted to be less t han 16 by 2010. Our population is currently rising thanks to immigration and the fact tha t we are living longer, but we have problems ahead. Surfer Not all Australians are young, vibrant and sun-kissed surfers Australia likes to see itself as a young vibrant nation, but the truth is - because of the decline in birth rate and an increase in life expectan cy - our population is noticeably ageing. 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