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2004/12/29-30 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:35466 Activity:low
12/28   SF/Bay Area sodans, who are you using for cell phone service these
        days?  Is anyone actually happy with his service?(*)  Is there any
        particularly shiny cell phone hardware that you are fond of?  My
        incoming calls keep going straight to voicemail, message notifications
        arrive hours, if not days, late, so I'd like to switch from
        T-Mobile.(**) -dans
        (*)  Yes I realize that service quality varies wildly by location.
             I'd still like to hear individual experiences.
        (**) Yes I realize that there is effectively only one GSM carrier in
             Northern California
             \_ AT&T, cuz my family got this stupid deal on it. Have a
                cheapie Samsung phone. Reception is okay, but the phone
                sucks. AT&T voice mail sucks. I personally do not
                recommend. I used to have T-Mobile and a motorola, got
                decent reception, much better phone in terms of usage.
                Whatever you do, if you get a clamshell model get one
                with an external window to see who's calling you. The
                samsung I have doesn't even have that. Very, very annoying.
        \_ Try Verizon, I don't have it but haven't heard bad things. Except
           they don't seem to have as good deals.
           \_ I'm probably switching to Verizon (from AT&T) for the better
              service within a couple of weeks. Too bad their phone selection
              rather sucks compared to Cingular/AT&T or TMobile.
           \_ I have verizon now and the service is good except inside
              buildings.  quality really degrades. no signal at bart in sf.
              where as the cingular phone is great in sf bart.  however,
              cingular service cuts in and out everywhere.  same shitty
              service everywhere.  verizon is only shitty inside buildings,
              and of course the phone selection sux. depends what you need.
              \_ That's really a 'YMMV' issue.  Verizon uses a lower frequency
                 of radio waves than the others, so for technical reasons
                 should get better reception in buildings.  I've had
                 comparatively pretty good reception in buildings, but some
                 places it just doesn't work.  If you have weak reception on
                 top of a BART station, you'll have none inside one.  OTOH I've
                 gotten a decent signal in some BART stations or large
                 buildings or elevators where everyone else gets nothing.
                 From my unscientific survey of the SFBA, Verizon is a bit
                 better than Cingular, and WAY batter than TMo, but there are
                 some exceptions.
        \_ I currently have a Mot v60 and AT&T (not GSM). It is not bad,
           and I have decent coverage pretty much everywhere in the bay
           area.  Sometimes I have problems inside lecture halls, but
           this doesn't bother me too much b/c I don't really need cell
           phone access during class.
           In terms of shiny new cell phone hardware, I'm waiting for AT&T
           to intro the Treo 650 so that I can get a Treo 600 at a reduced
           price.
           \_ Verizon is the coverage king, with Cingular second.  Verizon is a
             bit more expensive, and has a lousy phone selection.  Sprint,
             T-Mobile, and Nextel all have inferior networks.  AT&T is part of
             Cingular now.  See also:
             http://csua.com/Consumer/CellPhone
        \_ not in the bay area now, but as someone who used GSM exclusively
           in the US since about 1996 when coverage was very sparse, I
           should point out that your coverage experience has a lot to do
           w/ the specific phone model.  there are short term network
           problems w/ growth, where a cell is oversubscribed, but you can
           usually complain and get that resolved.  a sucky phone, however,
           always sucks.  i've had great luck w/ motorola phones w/ external
           antenna where other folks' whiz bang phone showed no signal.
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Is there any particularly shiny cell phone hardware that you are fond of? I used to have T-Mobile and a motorola, got decent reception, much better phone in terms of usage. Whatever you do, if you get a clamshell model get one with an external window to see who's calling you. Too bad their phone selection rather sucks compared to Cingular/AT&T or TMobile. verizon is only shitty inside buildings, and of course the phone selection sux. Verizon uses a lower frequency of radio waves than the others, so for technical reasons should get better reception in buildings. I've had comparatively pretty good reception in buildings, but some places it just doesn't work. If you have weak reception on top of a BART station, you'll have none inside one. OTOH I've gotten a decent signal in some BART stations or large buildings or elevators where everyone else gets nothing. From my unscientific survey of the SFBA, Verizon is a bit better than Cingular, and WAY batter than TMo, but there are some exceptions. Sometimes I have problems inside lecture halls, but this doesn't bother me too much b/c I don't really need cell phone access during class. In terms of shiny new cell phone hardware, I'm waiting for AT&T to intro the Treo 650 so that I can get a Treo 600 at a reduced price. Verizon is a bit more expensive, and has a lousy phone selection. Sprint, T-Mobile, and Nextel all have inferior networks. Only things I can complain about are that it can't elevate very much, the bezel could be not as wide, and there could be more buttons (the Viewsonic VP191b has all of these and 2 VGA ports + 1 DVI, but the refresh is only average - also, from the back the VP191b looks like a light pole, but from the front it's just better than the 193P in my opinion and just more functional). after I get used to it, I'll probably like the 193P more, even though it's sitting on two books. Motorola crashes a lot (software) and the GUI is very clumsy (need to press a lot of buttons to get something done). Several Nokia models (6310 among them) have ass-quality bluetooth. A Finnish colleague, whose wife works at Nokia, says to watch out for the 6670, if it's not already out. Could it be the phone or is t-mobile just worthless around here? T-mobile doesn't have any towers in Northern California; In case it's not clear, there is, effectively, only one GSM carrier in northern California. It's possible your area had lots on Cingular users and not that many Cingular towers. i dont care whether it can play tetris or surf the WEEB or manage my stock portfolio. has anybody made a phone that has signal strength as its only distinguishing feature? surely something can be done with antenna/amplification. To improve the SNR you can add a phased antenna array, which will massivly increase weight, power consumption and cost, or you can use a high-gain antenna, which is by necessity directional. A high-gain antenna would be big, which is bad for a phone, and would depend strongly on orientation, which is very bad for a phone being moved around. The best compromise would be a long straight antenna, which is not as big as a dish, and has the only directional requirement that it is upright. Most phones use antennas which are about (8/7)*(1/2) wavelength long so they get optimum performance when slightly off perfect vertical. I have Verizon and it works everywhere EXCEPT where I live and I'm very upset. This way I'll be able to make better purchasing decisions next time. These phones are getting harder and harder to find as the carriers move to 'all-digital' phones, which sounds like a selling point but means less versatility, though lower cost of manufacturing. Actual tower locations are a closely guarded secret for reasons of competition (though the excuse du-jour is 'anti-terrorism'). The tower locations should all be on file with the FCC, but good luck getting a look at them. If you got your contract/phone less that 15 days ago, you can return it and get out of your contract with no penalty. If not, see if your phone is 'all-digital', and if it is, get a friend with a tri-band Verizon phone to visit your house and see his signal. On top of that, some phones just get better reception than others. Tri-mode LGs are pretty good, as is the Nokia 6015i from what I've heard. ie how many minutes, long distance, national roaming etc. The contract length is linked to how much discount you get on your phone, so if you're willing to take a 1-year contract, you can get a MUCH better price/minute than if you went prepaid, but you'll get a better or cheaper phone if you commit to 2 years. I've considered epoxying the battery door to the phone, but I'm worried that if the Li-Ion battery wears out, it'll be near impossible to change it. Have you considered epoxying back the little clip, rather than the entire door? I'm worried doing just the open button/clip might not be strong enough. Another possibility is to make a form so the epoxy itself will solidify in the shape of the little chip. If you're interested, look up photos of the Audiovox VM4050, 9900 or 9950 \_ Get some colorful rubber bands, like the kind women use for hair. Do you take any steps to keep the phone the recommended 15 cm or whatever from your body? If so are you aware of reports that those can act as an antenna and transmit significantly more radiation into your head? Yes, a regular earphone adapter that transmits sound down a wire. Yes, but not as much as a bluetooth handsfree thingie, and nowhere near as much as the phone itself. America just lost a great champion for this cause in Christopher Reeve. People like Chris Reeve will get out of their wheelchairs and walk again with stem cell research." Would you be more satisfied if he said he plans to leave everyone with those diseases to suffer while we spend our money on other things? I liked T-Mobile for nationwide service when living in Los Angeles. there are smaller GSM phones if you want to pay top dollar, eg some tiny panasonics you can buy over the web. Specifically, I'm looking to purchase Nokia 6820 with TMobile. Recently there was even a store in San Mateo that was offering a good discount on an unlocked T630 with activation with TMobile. If you want it unlocked you'll either have to do it yourself, or fins a place that will do it for some small $$. As far as I know, the carriers will not subsidize phones that aren't locked into their own company. So the discount would have to be from the reseller who makes commission on service contracts. Bay Area mobile phone companies who do you use, do they suck/rule? More info please \_ AT&T: Great phones, decent prices, signal is hit or miss. New GSM system will give you whichever is the stronger of AT&T or Cingular. Haven't seen the old Cingular GSM problem yet where you couldn't get a line out. Old AT&T TDMA system gets progressively worse and worse as they shift resources. Also, their customer service is now back to average after several months of being useless. 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