12/21   motd LAliens, where are the huge traffic hotspots in LA?  I'm driving
        from San Diego to Santa Ana, and I want to avoid getting stuck in the
        I-5 parking lot.
        \_ there are no easy way.  You are stuck with 405, your best bet is
           get onto 5 then 55 and get off near 22.  Don't get *ONTO* 22, it
           will kill you.  Get off 55 and take local streets.
        \_ Avoid the freeways.  It's Christmas.  You are fucked, my friend.
             -- ilyas
           \_ Um, thanks, but subhelpful.  Is it faster to take 5 to 55 or
              go 5 to 405 to 55?
              \_ Honestly, it's all bad.  What do you want me to say?  There
                 is no solution. -- ilyas
              \_ never, never, NEVER go on the 405. ever.
                \_ or if you do, check sigalert. unless it's ALL green
                   don't go on it.
                 \_ Specifically, don't go from OC->LA between 7-10am
                    Don't go from LA->OC between 4pm-7pm.
              \_ You forgot to prepend "the" to all the freeway numbers.
           \_ why do you hate LA? Why don't you move out of LA if you hate
              it so much? Have you tried applying to MIT and Stanford?
              \_ Why do you hate America? -- ilyas
                 \_ It's one thing to be a libertarian who wants to cut all
                    government programs yet lives off of government money,
                    and to hate liberals but live and live in one of the most
                    liberal places in America, and to hate California but
                    live off of their public education system, and to hate
                    SoCal, but live right in its heart, but DO WE HAVE TO
                    FUCKING HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME??????!!! Seriously,
                    buy a lot of automatic rifles, move to Idaho and start
                    your own cash-only business and get it over with.
                    \_ You must lose a lot of sleep over reaping the benefits
                       from all those broken treaties with the Indians, which
                       you surely strongly disagree with.  You should move to
                       Europe... wait you can't do that, it's build on
                       past and present injustice too.  I think moving to Mars
                       and starting fresh may be the only answer for you.
                         -- ilyas
                       \_ Well, that or asking you to stop whining incessantly.
                          \_ Dude.  I told him LA freeways are bad around
                             Christmas.  Which they are.  It ain't whining,
                             it's the truth.  Get head out of ass. -- ilyas
        \_ Just check http://sigalert.com at the times you'll be driving.
           You'll be fine if you come between 11am and 3pm, or after 8pm.
           \_ This is a big help, thank you. -op
              \_ op, would you mind posting your driving experiences later?
                 I am curious. -- ilyas
                 \_ Will do.  Look for it on Monday evening or Tuesday.