12/7 I want to make a donation to the school. In the past, I have always
donated to the Engineering School. Anyone have any other suggestions?
http://colt.berkeley.edu/urelgift/index.html
\_ I would suggest donating to Professor Dusenberg, unfairly hounded
out of his NIH grants by the scientific establishment for daring
to challange the orthodoxy on AIDS, but I cannot seem to find
him on the campus website anymore. Did he finally get run all
the way off campus? What happened to him?
\_ Try spelling his name right, troll. -tom
\_ Oh, okay! Douchebag! There you go!
\_ Could someone give some context to this?
\_ prof. duesberg is a MCB prof at ucb who says AIDS is not
caused by HIV, AIDS is caused by recreational and
other drugs prescribed by doctors
to treat HIV. he's got a website, there are plenty of
"duesberg is a menace" websites. - danh
\_ Dan, use motdedit! you stomped on my post.
\_ Duesberg. He is still teaching, good. Dusenberg on google
gives many hits. Donate to Prof Duesberg's lab, he is
still trying to do science on very limited money, since
he is frozen out of the grant process by a vengeful
scientific community.
\_ I thought the whole Aids-Virus Myth thing has been
debunked. You actually believe his theories?
\_ No, but I am not really qualified to judge his work
in any case, since I am not a biologist. I do think
he has been treated poorly by the scientific
community.
\_ Well, I am, and he's just full of shit. Duesberg
deserved what he got. It's like someone insisting
that the earth is flat.
\_ Duesberg wants smoking gun evidence, with the
videotape of WMD stockpiles in multiple Iraqi
complexes and a nuclear test. He has against him
a massive amount of circumstantial evidence -
much more than that from Iraq WMDs, and from
those without as much of an agenda as BushCo.
The scientific establishment != the CIA, BushCo.
\_ yet he touts his drug-induced AIDS theory
with much much less than smoking gun evid.
\_ So even though he had done great work in the
past and continues to do great work, he
should be denied funding because he
disagrees with the scientific orthodoxy
on one small matter? I think you have
a really messed up idea of how the
scientific process should work.
\_ why do you think he did great work? -tom
\_ Maybe I'm inclined to give him the benefit
of the doubt on this because he is a
tenured Berkeley professor in the sciences?
Since you have no CV in anything, maybe
you should not be so judgmental. This is
why so many people think you are an asshole.
\_ How is my comment judgemental? pp
made an unfounded assertion; I didn't
assert anything. Asshole. -tom
\_ He is also a member of the National
Academy of Science (found this on his
web page) and his work on retroviruses
and oncogenes is very well known (I work
in immunology).
\_ It doesn't really matter anyway. Duesberg agrees that
something in the blood of an AIDS patient will give
a healthy person AIDS. The scientific community says
it's HIV - Duesberg says it's AZT. Whatever - you'll
still get AIDS anyway.
\_ I don't follow the AIDS 'controversies' very much,
but it wouldn't surprise me if some folks
classified various nasty diseases and malnutrition
syndroms in Africa (which are less 'glamorous' than
AIDS) to get AIDS funding. -- ilyas
\_ I guess you are saying it's possible but aren't
saying whether it's true or not.
\_ I don't know, but being familiar with charity
fraud, I d say it's pretty likely. -- ilyas
\_ So if you have HIV, but you aren't taking any drugs
like AZT, feel free and have as much unprotected
sex as you want.
\_ No. You must wear a condom to protect yourself
from that bad AZT in your partner's sexual fluids.
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