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12/1 Here's the complete list of top 200 universities in the world:
http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/newsroom/2004/rankingsTimes.pdf
\_ Rankings are lame. All I want to say is, UCLA _better not_ be
#26 overall. That would make me very sad. -- ilyas
\_ UCLA is a world-class institution in many fields. What's
your gripe?
\_ The CS department? Well, that and the 'soul of UCLA.'
-- ilyas
\_ What is your gripe with the department? Poor quality
research being done?
\_ There is some decent research that comes out of UCLA
CS ... sometimes, but I think the dept. is sick.
I am just comparing to how I remember the Cal CS
dept. was. -- ilyas
dept. was. If you honestly care, send me an
email, and I ll ramble more. -- ilyas
\_ We're #2: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
\_ I'm assuming you just got that email from Newton, too?
\_ Yup. When I last mentioned the ranking on the motd, I couldn't
locate the complete list.
\_ let's see how many people think this is a bogus ranking.
\_ It depends on how you look at it. It is almost certainly bogus
for the purposes of choosing a school for studying a particular
degree in a particular career..
\_ You are obviously not a Korean (or Chinese) mother.
\_ And obviously never served.
\_ BUD DAY didn't send HIS kids to Berkeley!
\_ What if you don't have definite plans for a degree or a
career when you're choosing the college to attend?
career when you're choosing the college to attend? Then
wouldn't picking the highest ranked (whatever your favorite
list may be) college be a reasonable strategy?
\_ No way. Depending on your personality type, your chances
of figuring out what you want to do and succeeding at it
might be much higher at a small liberal arts college or
might be much higher at a huge state school. There are
both of this type of school that are similarly ranked
in most rankings, and I think this is a very important
choice to make, regardless of what level of ranking
school you've gotten into. For me, a huge state school
was exactly the right place to be, but I've definitely
seen people get lost in the system at Cal who would probably
have done a lot better at some little liberal arts school
where they're not just a number.
\_ Then at least see the rankings based on your career
choice. For example, they have Harvard listed at the
top but that doesn't imply that Harvard is the best
engineering or say CS school. Just like Caltech and
MIT (listed no 4 and 3 respectively) are not the best
schools for many social sciences or humanities.
\_ Anyone who hasn't settled on a degree yet is not
likely to have settled on a career, and in any case I
stipulated "... don't have definite plans for a degree
or a career...".
\_ The criteria used for those rankings, makes those
rankings even less relevant to undergraduate education.
On the other hand, if you're considering going to grad
school, then at that point you certainly already know
what to study.
\_ Agreed. I implicitely limited the choice to undergrad
when I said "choosing the college [vs. grad school] to
attend". |
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| www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html The Times and The Sunday Times electronic paper The Times and The Sunday Times electronic paper Britain November 04, 2004 Britain wins eight places in world list of 50 best universities By Tony Halpin OXFORD and Cambridge are among the world's top ten universities, accordin g to a new global ranking published today. They were fifth and sixth respectively in the league table of the world's 200 best universities. American institutions occupied seven of the top ten places, with Oxbridge the highest-ranked outside the United States. London's position as a centre of global educational significance was conf irmed with four institutions in the top 50. The London School of Economi cs was 11th, Imperial College 14th, University College London 34th, and the School of Oriental and African Studies 44th. The only European university outside Britain in the top 20 was the Federa l Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland, in tenth place. Cambridge, Massachusetts, however, can lay claim to being the world's mos t intellectual city, as home to Harvard and to the Massachusetts Institu te of Technology, which was ranked at No3. California also scored highly, with the University of California, Berkele y, in second place, the California Institute of Technology, fourth, and Stanford seventh. Tokyo University, in Japan, ranked at No12, was the highest-ranked instit ution in Asia, followed by Beijing University at No17. Six were among the to p 50 in the World University Rankings, led by the Australian National Un iversity in sixteenth place. France, by contrast, managed just two universities in the top 50, with th e cole Polytechnique in 27th place and cole Normale Suprieure 30th. H eidelburg University, in 47th place, was Germany's only entry, one fewer than Hong Kong. Britain was home to 18 of Europe's top 50 universities, and six of the to p ten, but not a single institution from Spain, Portugal, Italy or Greec e made the list. The United States had 62 of the top 200 universities, f ollowed by Britain with 30, Germany 17 and Australia 14. Twenty-nine cou ntries were represented in the global rankings overall. Universities were placed in the table with the help of findings from a su rvey for the THES of 1,300 academics in 88 countries. They were asked to name the best institutions in the fields that they felt knowledgeable a bout. The table also included data on the amount of cited research produced by faculty members as an indicator of intellectual vitality, the ratio of f aculty to student numbers and a university's success in attracting forei gn students and internationally renowned academics in the global market for education. The five factors were weighted and transformed against a scale that gave the top university 1,000 points and ranked everyone else as a proportion of that score. By taking acc ount of the views of academics from across five continents and using the most up-to-date statistics, our ranking gives an informed picture of th e world's top universities." A world league of the best 500 research universities, published in Septem ber by academics at Shanghai Jiao Tong University in China, placed Cambr idge third behind Harvard and Stanford. Oxford came eighth, while Britis h universities ranked second overall behind those in the United States. Last December a report by Richard Lambert, former Editor of the Financial Times, urged the Russell Group of Britain's leading 19 universities to establish a league table of the world's best research institutions, by w hich they could measure their own performances. |