11/23 How'd this get in the Stanford Daily?
http://tinyurl.com/6jnbr (daily.stanford.edu) - danh
\_ Funny thing is, when I was a cal undergrad, I felt that all this
stanford rivalry crap was stupid, and that they were pretty similar
schools. After being out for a few years and working with people
from both schools I no longer feel that way. Stanford really
does turn out some whiners with no balls. And ditto times five
for the east coast snob schools--only they have *much* lower
standards for technical education than either cal or stanford.
Cal was not my first choice in highschool, but it sure would have
been if I knew what I know now.
\_ MIT grads are the only ones who have been almost uniformly
competent in my experience. Possibly Caltech too, but the
sample size is too small and the 'tude was difficult to work
with.
\_ I noticed the Caltech attitude also. MIT people have been
awesome. I saw some pretty horrible people from Stanford,
and CMU before. -- ilyas
\_ The 'tude goes away once you've slapped them a few times.
They still have an unhealthy focus on the right thing vs.
the good enough thing though.
\_ I worked w/ Cornell, Brown and Princeton grads and they
were all very good. As far as Stanford is concerned, I
knew this girl who worked at Google in mkt around when
gmail first came out and instead of giving the accts
away for free to customers like she was supposed to,
she started selling them on ebay. Lost her job and her
options, but she made $5k a week for three weeks. They
don't teach you shit like that at Cal.
\_ Strange--all the people from Ivy league schools with whom I've
worked lately were very good. Maybe the shits stay in the
U.S. -John
\_ either the above statement is true, or you just suck a lot.
\_ Yer mom thought I was pretty awesome. -John
\_ Yer dad thought I was pretty awesome. -John
\_ you're a traitor for reading the enemy's crappy biased newspaper.
\_ Fair and Balanced.
\_ Well try this one on for size. Their team lost this year but
they've won most of the Big Games over the past couple decades...
with teams composed of players who actually had to maintain GPAs,
attend at least a few real classes and may actually go on to
something professional after their moment of glory as a college
athlete, assuming they don't go pro. Compare that to what most of
us have heard about athletes at Cal. I'm not a college sports
fan and maybe it shows but I appreciate the way Stanford does it
much better than the way Cal does. Cal's version of the thing
makes a mockery of its academics and those who hold Cal degrees.
-- ulysses P.s., I agree that Stanford grads are generally
a bunch of overprivileged whiners. Mostly.
\_ So Stanford holds regular students to lower standards than
Cal and their atheletes are held to those same standards
while Cal is harsher on regular students but hold their
atheletes to lower standards than regular students? Doesn't
that make Cal and Stanford atheletes about on par with
each other?
\_ Cal does not hold athletes to lower standards than
regular students; the rules for academic probation/
dismissal are exactly the same. Athletes get more help
with their studies, and get a break on admissions (that
is also true at Stanford). Once they're here, they have
to perform. -tom
\_ (a < b) & (a = c) & (b > d) doesn't imply c = d .
\_ But it does imply ( (c>d) implies (a>d) )
\_ Given a lack of standard for GPA, it's hard to
determine c > d without knowing the persons involved.
Nor am I really sure that a = c.
\_ Geez you guys. It was just a joke. I understood
the whole logical fallacy when I wrote it. I just
didn't think anyone would attempt to get all
anal about it.
\_ ob yermom joke
\_ Cal is much harder on its student-athletes in terms of
academics than Stanford is. And both Braun and Tedford
seem to be very interested in academics; Cal's current
football team has something like 10 guys on the Pac-10
All-Academic team.
-tom
\_ I count 9 for Cal and 14 for Stanford in football. I don't
know how to compare these, though, given the difference
between what it takes to maintain a GPA at the two schools.
I am impressed by Derek Joyce. Maintaining a 3+ GPA in
MCB was no mean feat, even without an athletic program.
-- ulysses
\_ The only university football program that I do not have
contempt for is that of University of Chicago. They
had the right idea.
\_ Care to provide any context for that?
\-UChi got rid of their foodball program a long
time ago and pissed off a lot of alumni. Their
former president famously said "anytime i feel
like exercising, i lie down until the feeling
goes away." uchi is a great institution ... sort
of like berkeley in some ways. no nonsense school
that sends a lot of people back into academia.
you can look up robert maynard hutchins. --psb
\_ The Caltech one is pretty cool, too.
\_ Oh and here's men's hoops: Stanford 4, Cal 2. -- ulysses |
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