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11/22   The Hmong People in the U.S.
        http://www.jefflindsay.com/Hmong_tragedy.html
        \_ Hmong people Among people.
        \_ So, um, I'm curious. Does the rice man wear glasses? Did he
           wear glasses when he threw the ilyas-like tantrum?
           \_ He ruined hunting for everybody!
              \_ He has ruined the reputation of the Hmong people
                 for generations to come.
              \_ Maybe he just descided to hunt the most dangerous game...
        \_ I guess McVeigh was the U.S. people in teh U.S.
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www.jefflindsay.com/Hmong_tragedy.html
However, Thailand appears to be turning on remaining Hmong refugees in that nation, preparing to force them back to Laos unless the US takes action to rescue them. missed a deadline to register for immigration to the US and are now in limbo. In Laos, the brutal Communist government may continue its campaign of vengeance against Hmong soldiers who supported the US. The Great Betrayal: Laos' Hmong Tribe Faces Death in Forced Repatriatio n" by Anthony LoBaido. Hmong baby Hmong baby in Thailand: Courtesy of Anthony C LoBaido Sept. Children of Laos tribe 'butchered by soldiers'" is a disturbing story reported by K im Sengupta in The Independent (United Kingdom) on Sept. The t orture and slaughter of Hmong children, for example, is one aspect of th e state-sponsored terror from the brutal Laotian regime. Communist Government in Laos Continues to Bu tcher Hmong People." I hope the United States will take action against L aos and not reward that terror regime. Several million Hmong people re main in China, Thailand, and Laos, speaking a variety of Hmong dialects. The Hmong language group is a monosyllabic, tonal language (7-12 tones, depending on the dialect), with features that may make it an important bridge (according to some people) between Thai, Burmese, Chinese, and ot her Austro-Asian languages. The written language is said by some to have been eradicated over centuries of persecution in China (though it is no t certain that there ever was a unique written language for Hmong). Acco rding to some traditions, Hmong women once sought to preserve their bann ed Hmong writing by stitching stylized characters into their dresses. So me of the symbols may have been preserved, but their meaning was lost. It was not until late in this century that a writing system for Hmong was introduced. Several forms were attempted, but the dominant method is a romanization system in which pronunciation seems highly nonintuitive for English and Hmong speakers alike, though it seems to be based on sound linguistic principles. Tones are indicated by one of the consonants j,g,b,v,s or d at the end o f each word, or no consonant for the mid-range level tone. A Hmong Response to this Page ----- "MrLindsay your fantastic homepage touched to the deep core of my Hmong heart, and it brought tears to my eyes. At one point of my reading, I co uldn't go on anymore but forced myself to because I had to finish the re ading. Thank you so much for the remarkable true information about Hmong history. My fat her was a soldier in Laos at the time, and I was born on the way to Ban Vinai Refugees camp. It's quite amazing how I can tell an American these stories and he would know exactly what I'm saying. Thank you for giving us credit in the war when most Americans lack the knowledge of it. Than k you for being on our side, and creating the homepage. I will give out your homepage's URL so everyone will realize why we are here in America. Hmong refugees in the US struggle with our unusual ways, thoug h the rising generation of youth have melted in well with American cultu re, even at the risk of losing touch with their heritage. For the older generation, adopting the new ways has been painful. The language is a gr eat barrier to the elderly, many of whom have had no schooling and had n o reading skills prior to coming to the US Simple things like going to a store or walking through town can be terrifying experiences for the e lderly. The Hmong in the US came mainly from Laos as refugees after the Vietnam War. They once lived idyllic agrarian lives in the hills of northern La os, but that changed once many of them were recruited by the CIA to figh t for us in the once-secret wars in Laos. 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Two beautiful Hmong sisters from Menasha, Wisconsin in elaborate Hmong cl othing shortly before a dance performance in Appleton at the Church of J esus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Sept. A Tragic History: From Laos to the US I recently finished the most disturbing book I have ever read and have to speak out. The book is Tragic Mountains: The Hmong, the Americans, and the Secret Wars for Laos, 1942-1992, by Jane Hamilton-Merritt (Indiana U niversity Press, 1993). This book documents the genocide that has been p racticed against the Hmong people by the tyrannical governments of Laos and Vietnam. Many people think that the Hmong came here to enjoy US ec onomic benefits, but in fact, most are here to escape the death and horr or of a genocidal war against them. The long campaign of the Laotian and Vietnamese governments to destroy the Hmong is vengeance for Hmong supp ort of the United States in the Vietnam war. 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