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2004/11/19-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34991 Activity:high
11/19   http://tinyurl.com/64f2b (cnn.com)
        Microsoft Warns Linux lawsuits.
        \_ Which crack pipe did Balmer smoke from when he made this
           announcement? What total FUD.
           \- I like: "Nobody ever knows who built open-source software!"
           \- I like: "Nobody ever knows who built open-source software!"--psb
                \_ In some ways this is true. Do you really know who
                   wrote your linux ethernet driver, or who was resp.
                   for the png library that mozilla uses? You could
                   probably find out with some work for most things,
                   but there are lots of bits and pieces that are
                   completely unattributed.
                   \_ Actually, it's funny.  I once had what I thought was
                      a buggy Freebsd ethernet driver, and it wasn't very
                      hard to find out the exact person responsible, mail him,
                      and get a reply (ultimately I had a hardware problem).
                      That's not something I could have done with MS. -- ilyas
                        \_ Personally I prefer OSS, I've had to debug
                           lots of things (squid, tomcat, nfs, ...)
                           and it was much easier on FreeBSD/Linux b/c
                           I had the source. However, many of the src
                           files were completely unattriubted and even
                           the project leaders didn't quite know how
                           some of the stuff worked. It wasn't like
                           OSS was any better than M$ (or other comm.
                           vendors).
                   \- it's not like there is any liability that attaches
                      to msft if their os is unreliable. "who cares".--psb
                      to msft if their os is unreliable. "who cares".
                      to msft if their os is unreliable, so "who cares".
                      i think far more significantly msft code base is so
                      large, they are the ones with problems tracking things
                      down due to complexity. --psb
                      \_ Seconded.  MS was actually pretty cooperative with
                         my last client, although they have a small country
                         organization, and the client is the 800lbs gorilla
                         here.  The best actual business-valid reason I can
                         get out of most management against OSS is "there's no
                         one to sue", which is bunkum--I've never known this
                         to be the case.  The more appropriate phrase is "no
                         one ever got fired for hiring IBM."  It's purely a
                         psychological safety blanket for the "more expensive
                         must mean it's better" crowd.  I'm currently working
                         with a big outfit considering an OSS solution both
                         on its technical merits, and on the idea that, if
                         something is broken, they can hire someone to come
                         fix it... -John
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Technology Microsoft warns Asian governments of Linux suits Microsoft executive Steve Ballmer spoke at a conference in Singapore for Asian leaders. Microsoft executive Steve Ballmer spoke at a conference in Singapore for Asian leaders. warned Asian governments on Thursd ay they could face patent lawsuits for using the Linux operating system instead of its Windows software. The growing popularity of Linux -- an open-code software that is freely a vailable on the Internet and easily modified by users -- is a threat to the global dominance of Microsoft's Windows. Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the com pany's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore. "Someday, for all countries that are entering the WTO (World Trade Organi zation), somebody will come and look for money owing to the rights for t hat intellectual property," he added. The Open Source Risk Management Group said earlier this year that potenti al intellectual property claims against Linux could expose users to unex pected claims that might result in lawsuits. Singapore's Ministry of Defense last month switched 20,000 personal compu ters to run on open-source software instead of the Microsoft operating p latform. Other governments in the region are also looking to use more open-source software. China, Japan and South Korea this year agreed to jointly devel op applications running on Linux. At a conference in Milan later on Thursday, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates avoided a direct answer when asked whether he was worried about competi tion from Linux. "In the market where Microsoft is, there's a lot of competition," he said . "We compete with Unix and we're doing very well because the Windows (m arket) share has increased every year. The Chinese government, in particular, sees its reliance on Microsoft as a potential threat. Conspiracy buffs believe certain patches in the Wind ows code might give US authorities the power to access Chinese network s and disable them, possibly during a war over Taiwan. Ballmer said the security fears some governments had about using Microsof t software were overblown. "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It i s more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added.
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About 250 prisoners freed from Abu Ghraib The United States today freed about 250 detainees from Abu Ghraib prison, site of alleged abuses that prompted global outrage and led to days of hearings on Capitol Hill. Today marks the first mass prisoner release since the abuse scandal broke several weeks ago. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had visited the prison Thursday.