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2004/11/18-22 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:34971 Activity:low
11/18   Can the owner/president of a private company hire/fire
        whomever he wants, for whatever reason? If so, does that
        include race-based reasons?
        \_ Yes, if there is no standing contract other than an at-will
           employment. There are statutes that protect for wrongful
           termination based on discrimination.
           However, if the employer (the correct term) is smart about it
           they will simply fire you because of lack of work and state
           that employment was at-will. You can
           bring a lawsuit against your former employer, and the usual
           song and dance is if an attorney finds enough merit in your
           case there will be an out of court settlement.
           If there is an employee handbook explaining the terms of
           employment and what is a fire-able offense then it's a bit
           harder.
        \_ no, you can't hire/fire based on race.  See the Civil Rights
           act.  That's why if you do go see a lawyer the first thing
           they will ask was "was it race based".  If you say "no" then
           they probably will lose interest in talking to you.
        \_ Yes, but if the reason is race/gender/religion you can't say
           that's the reason why, unless you want to get suuuued.
           http://www.expertlaw.com/library/pubarticles/Employment/at_will.html
        \_ Get a cat
           \- I dont know a tremendous about employment law, but I believe
              there are two factors to consider: 1. who is covered and
              2. what is the standard. 1. re: "who is covered" obviously a
              public sector employer or subcontractor is prohibited. But
              today probably almost all employers will be covered ... this
              is the famous (ab)user of the interstate commer clause to
              give the federal govt jurisdiction in these matters. A famous
              quote talks about how the "ICC lets the fed govt regulate an
              elevator operator's job in kansas city" [elevator -> cant
              move like say trucking or bread production]. so by default
              you are probably covered.  some exception are things like
              religious organization ...  ostenisbly a hindu temple can
              prefer to hire hindu for a number of positions. even a sole
              proprietorship like a bar is probably covered [alcohol
              license] ... but i am not sure if all very small commercial
              enterprises are covered [you run a home business and hire
              somebody to stuff envelopes]. 2. using racial or relig [or
              the other categories mentioned on the expertlaw] WEEB page
              call the "strict scrutiny" standard, which means it needs the
              highest level of justification [and some more obligations].
              it's easier to "discriminate" based on "must be able to life
              80lbs" or "but be at least 5'6" than "no women" "no chinese"
              etc. this applies to more than employment relationships ...
              it's been argued about for laws [e.g. a case where the
              drinking age was lower for women], education, club
              memberships etc.  this expasion of federalism through the ICC
              is one of the philosophical debates at the heart of the
              rightwing turn of the court. unless the new breed of
              republicans go totally nuts, this is more likely to be the
              ground the gives way than Roe v Wade. ok tnx. --psb
              \- BTW, for a similar dilemma see BATSON v. KENTUCKY [and
                 its successors like Wilkerson v TX and Swain v. Alabama for
                 context] which says you cant kick someone off of a
                 jury because or race [i.e. a peremptory isnt really a
                 peremptory any more] ... so now lawyers make up a
                 reason other than race [kickng offf based on gender also
                 not allowed but i forgot the SupCt case] to kick people
                 off. Of course the only people who explicitly say they
                 are doing things based on race are people looking for
                 a fight [like the "white only" scholarship case]. --psb
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Other Tort Claims Introduction Many people are employed "at will", meaning that they don't have a formal employment contract with their employer and state law thus permits thei r employment to be ended at any time, or that they do have a written con tract under which contains an "at will" clause to that same effect. Howe ver, even "at will" employees are entitled to certain legal protections against wrongful termination, and cannot be fired for reasons that viola te the law or public policy. Pretextual Termination - Civil Rights Laws The Civil Rights Act in 1964 extended anti-discrimination protections to employees, whose employment could no longer be terminated for reasons su ch as their race, gender, skin color, religion, or national origin. Addi tional legal protections now exist to deter certain forms of age discrim ination. Following the creation of these anti-discrimination laws, it be came possible for employees to argue that their terminations were "prete xtual" - that is, although their employers were citing lawful reasons to terminate their employment, their employers were actually motivated by unlawful discriminatory motives. Within this context, it should be noted that employers of at-will employe es may end their employment for reasons that are arbitrary, provided the y don't run afoul of the law. For example, while civil rights law protec ts employees from being fired because of their skin color, there's no si milar protection against being fired because an employer doesn't like th e color of your car. At the same time, any employer who might face a dis crimination claim would be ill-served by trying to defend a wrongful ter mination lawsuit by presenting such a ridiculous basis for the decision to fire an employee. Public Policy Exceptions In addition to the express protections against wrongful discharge which a re granted by law, most states recognized certain "public policy" protec tions against discharge. While the nature and availability of these reas ons will vary, often significantly, between jurisdictions, the underlyin g rationale remains the same: The common law, or othe laws set forth by a state legislature, creates an express or implied public policy, which will be undermined if employers are permitted to fire their employees in violation of that public policy. workers' compensation protections to provide for the care and support of workers who are injured on the j ob. If employers were allowed to fire workers for filing workers' compen sation claims, their actions would undermine the public policy behind th ose laws. Similarly, many states will permit a lawsuit by an employee wh o was fired for refusing to perform an illegal act. Whistle-Blower Protections In what might be regarded as a statutory extension of public policy, most workers are covered by "whistle blower" statutes which may support an a ction against the employer if the employee is fired for informing a stat e or regulatory agency about the employer's misconduct. Typically, the e mployee must make the report to the agency which is responsible for resp onding to the employer's misconduct - such as, for an employer which is dumping used oil down a storm drain, a state or federal environmental pr otection agency. Employees are not ordinarily protected for other types of disclosure, such as telling friends about the employer's misconduct, or for reporting the misconduct to the news media. It is important to note that the statute of limitations applying to whist le blower cases is usually very short - some statutes require that actio n be taken literally within weeks of the employer's retaliatory act. Thu s it is usually important for whistleblowers who suffer retaliation to c onsult with lawyers as soon as they can after they learn of the retaliat ion. Contractual Protections Even employees who do not have written contracts of employment may be abl e to bring actions based upon the content of employee handbooks or manua ls. Where a company document of that nature outlines a disciplinary proc ess that must precede termination, the failure to follow that process ma y support a wrongful termination suit. If such a document states that em ployees will only be fired "for cause", an employer may have to document valid cause, such as the employee's failure to meet performance standar ds, if the termination is challenged. Many employers insert language into their handbooks and manuals in an eff ort to avoid this type of consequence, to the effect of, "Nothing in thi s manual consitutes a contract of employment between the employer and it s employees, and the employer may at its discretion elect not to follow any guidelines or procedures set forth herein in association with employ ee discipline or termination." Some states will permit an "at will" employee to bring a lawsuit on the b asis that the employer violated an implied covenant of "good faith and f air dealing" in association with the termination decision. In such state s, even with an at-will employee, the employer must extend some degree o f fairness in the decision to terminate employment. Legal Humor ExpertLaw was founded in 1997 to provide a free mechanism by which lawyer s can locate expert witnesses in a wide variety of fields without cost, allowing attorneys to retain an expert witness without paying referral f ees. 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