11/10   Now that FF 1.0 is out, has anybody gone back and compared, say,
        startup times to older versions (maybe even Phoenix)?  Is FF still
        a great deal faster than mozilla?  I remember using phoenix and
        thinking that it was maybe 2x faster for startup, as compared to
        mozilla.
        \_ I don't know about Mozilla, but startup time for FF 1.0 on OSX
           is almost exactly the same as Safari.
        \_ I use it on a G3 Macintosh and it seems a lot faster than Mozilla.
        \_ It's faster than mozilla, about the same speed or slightly faster
           than IE on Windows, depending on how many extensions you run.
           \_ I disagree with "faster than IE". I see various situations
              where IE works faster. Regular browsing and also some CGI
              script stuff we have at work. I still prefer its features
              although I never tried one of those IE wrapper/extension
              things.
              \_ I disagree with your disagreement. FF is slightly faster
                 than IE for loading up certain pages, especially if you
                 have stuff like ad filters in place. As for CGI stuff,
                 I have no idea what type of CGI you're doing, so this is
                 not a very good comparison. If you have a lot of ActiveX
                 crap running on your webpage then IE might be faster, but
                 then who wants a page full of ActiveX.
                 \_ There are ad filtering shiznits for IE based stuff too.
                    Actually what I was thinking of wasn't CGI. Just a large
                    (1.3MB) page of HTML that loads up faster in IE and feels
                    snappier. It seems to have improved a bit in 1.0 though.
                 \_ I disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement.
                 \_ http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/CE.html is one page
                    that IE is faster with.  It's a fairly slow link, but
                    IE shows more of the page earlier... it's pretty
                    terrible HTML though, so not much of a test.  Didn't
                    even put his hrefs in quotes.
              \_ Tabbed-browsing is super-fast!  IE does not have tabbed
                 browsing unless you install something non-standard on top.
                 On a mano-a-mano rendering test for an already open browser
                 window, I would accept that some pages render faster in IE
                 than FireFox.