11/9 I've been wondering about this. During the campaign, why doesn't
Kerry just openly say that the war on Iraq is based on a lie,
a lie the Bush administration knew from the beginning. The WMD
was just something that would play nice with the general
public, but they would've went in anyway, and because of their
action, the united states is not any safer than it was before.
Does this just not work with the general public? Were they
afraid most Americans just don't want to hear the truth? Like
when any company loses a court battle, they always deny any
wrong doings, etc, but will pay?
\_ Because he voted for it and later said he'd do the exact same
thing even knowing that Saddam didn't have WMD.
\_ When asked how she would have handled the war if she'd known then
what she knows now, Senator Hillary Clinton retorted, "Well, we
never would have had the war!"
\_ Because the WHOLE WOLRD thought we'd find stockpiles! -Dubya
\_ Except of course for Sean Penn.
\_ Look up the countries who opposed the war, but who's
intelligence agencies said there were stockpiles.
\_ Because, even knowing everything we know today, it was still the
right thing to do! -Dubya
\_ Is it?
\_ The majority of Americans think so!
\_ An uninformed majority is a mob.
\_ The US under Bush is the biggest threat to world pace since
Hitler. I think we should invade and take preemptive actions
against ourselves!!
\_ You've obviously never served.
\_ Dubya served with honor in the Texas Air National Guard!
\_ What about all the shit they teach you at school, you are
innocent until proven guilty, that you can't punish someone
for something they haven't done. Which is the foundation of
our law enforcement system. Why don't we start arresting
anyone who 'might' commit a crime? "Knowing what I know
today, it was the right thing to do", fuck off.
\_ The "innocent until proven guilty" premise does not translate to
Presidents and heads of state who, because of the enormous effect
of their mistakes, obsessions, and biases, are expected to be
more circumspect in the employment of the destructive forces at
their disposal. The President *must* be willing to take
responsibility for the errors he has made, especially when those
errors result in the full deployment of our military; this is
why Bush was very careful to shift the focus of the reason for
war from the unproveable charge of WMD to the more popular goal
of deposing Saddam Hussein. If Bush had made this case prior
to going to war, he would have simulataneously had a harder time
getting support for the war and had a much more stable rationale
for the war. He erred.
\_ they got Capone on tax evasion, we got Saddam on wmd usage
against the kurds..
\_ And Dubya probably thinks the 2004 results were a stamp of
approval!
\_ One of the things that people forget, or fail to
meantion, is that Bush CAN'T admit it was a mistake, even
if he thinks so himself. Admitting the war was a mistake
would be such a morale shock to the troops, and the
country, it would be the equivalent of overtly saying,
"We're going to let another 10,000 or so troops die, and
then pull out leaving Iraq in a state of civil war and
disaster." He touched on this in the debate when he said
he didn't think a president who thinks the war is a
mistake should be put in charge. Morale is VERY
important.
\_ If Bush were truly concerned about morale, he should
apologize for not greeting the coffins of the fallen
soldiers who have died for their country.
\_ Dubya was visiting the wounded in Walter Reed yesterday!
[GOP]Karl_Rove p0wnz u!
\_ Yawn. wounded != died. Cf. "dictionary."
\_ Visiting wounded soldiers >> Greeting coffins
[GOP]Karl_Rove STILL p0wnz u!
\_ Obviously, you never served.
\_ THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT CARL ROVE BETTED ON. Once we are
in war, there's only one option. You don't question why
until after the war, long after Bush is dead. FUCK BUSH
AND CARL ROVE.
\_ Dubya took out Saddam -- someone who has used chemical weapons
during war -- while he was small, before he could get big again.
Dubya didn't even want to ask the UN, but Powell convinced him
to try.
Dubya also showed that the U.S. will do whatever it takes to
anyone it deems a threat to the U.S.
\_ Someone explain to be where the term 'Dubya' came from?
What does it mean?
\_ It's his middle initial, to distinguish him, George W.
Bush, from his father, George H.W. Bush.
\_ Wow, that's almost straight from Andrew Card's mouth. Let's
review: post-combat weapons inspections have revealed that
the sanctions were preventing Saddam Hussein from "getting
big again"; the campaign in *Afghanistan* showed that the
US will do whatever it takes to defuse those it deems a
threat; the debacle in Iraq has shown the world that anyone
can tie down the US military nearly indefinitely by prodding
the President's pride. US military might is at its lowest
perceived competency level in decades.
\_ Wow, if only Kerry put it as convincingly in the debates...
But, Saddam was gaming the oil-for-food program, and
Dubya's people would say that he WOULD get big again
after sanctions were lifted since no WMDs would have been
found, Saddam would still be in power today, and we would
never have found out if he had them or not.
IMO, the U.S. should have been gaming Saddam, not the other
way around. Instead, the U.S. broke all the rules and put
the hammer down on him when it found it was losing the
game.
\_ You're right, Kerry should have hammered him more than
he did. Ah, well. Anyway, sanctions would not have
been lifted because Bush would have had any attempt to
lift sanctions vetoed in the UNSC. Furthermore, Bush
should have had the balls to call France and Russia on
their violations of the sanctions; robbed of his two
semi-allies, Hussein might have self-destructed faster. |