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2004/11/6-7 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:34722 Activity:high
11/5    http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1286272004
        I was going to make some sort of snarky comment but I think this one
        speaks for itself.  Headline:  "Van Gogh murder backlash begins"

please leave this nuked, i want to get my message across the asshole
who selectively ilyaed my message.
\_ go fuck yourself.  some poeple are actually trying to communicate using
   the motd.
        \_ someone should've done the same to Michael Moore.   -liberal
           \_ Perhaps you could, then you could pretend to be a mouth
              breathing pig ****ing bible basher.
           \_ MM is a big fat idiot, but your comment can only be met with
              something along the lines of "U SUKC TEH COCK".  Sad.  -John
                                                       \_ C0KC

[ pick a better adjective, bitch. -- ilyas ]
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com IT PRIDES itself on being the beating liberal heart of Europe, but the mu rder of film-maker Theo van Gogh has convinced many in the Netherlands t hat the nations legendary tolerance has now reached its limit. Van Goghs execution last Tuesday, which has been linked to Islamic extre mists, has brought calls for a crackdown on fundamentalists and renegade preachers that would previously have been unthinkable. Once liberal commentators now want Muslim hardliners to be thrown out of the country, even if they have Dutch passports, and greater surveillance of the wider Islamic community. Meanwhile, one of the biggest Muslim populations in Western Europe is fea rful of being tarred with the extremist brush by a nation which increasi ngly feels it is being taken advantage of. Van Gogh, who had made a controversial film about Islamic culture, was sh ot and stabbed in Amsterdam as he cycled to work. A five-page letter add ressed to a female Somali immigrant who scripted the controversial film that Van Gogh directed before she entered national politics, was pinned to his body with a knife. A Dutch-Moroccan has been charged over the incident, and also with member ship of a group with "terrorist intentions and conspiracy to murder a po litician". The 26-year-old accused, identified by Dutch media as Mohammed B, was als o charged with attempting to kill a policeman and a bystander. The killing has revived memories of the shocking murder of anti-immigrati on populist Pim Fortuyn by an animal rights activist in 2002. Prior to his death, Fortuyns views had been condemned by the liberal med ia. But the slaying of Van Gogh has had a cathartic effect in a country where racial tension and hostility towards foreigners is on the rise. The leading liberal Amsterdam broadsheet, The Telegraaf, has led the char ge with a hard-hitting editorial that would never previously have been p ublished. 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On their bodies were written verses from the Quran describing the permit ted physical punishments for women who "misbehave". Van Gogh claimed that he had been deliberately cautious, and would have m ade the film differently if he really had wanted to shock. In a recent interview, Van Gogh was asked how he felt about the threats. Laughing, he replied that no one would believe it worth their while to s hoot at the "village idiot". As all of the Netherlands now knows, Van Gogh got that one badly wrong.