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11/1 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html You know I'm trying really hard to find some idiotic thing OBL said but actually he is not that dumb. Anyone feel this way? \_ Of course you can't find anything you disagree with. His latest video is from the DNC and Michael Moore talking points. When you find yourself in agreement with a psychotic like OBL you seriously need to take a step back and evaluate your own philosophies. \_ the caliphate is dead dead dead \_ What he said (this time) in and of itself is not idiotic. What he said (this time) in the context of being a sanctimonious, ruthlessly murdering prick representing an oppressive, twisted fundamentally defective ideology plumbs new, untold depths of politically opportunistic cretinism. Don't go there. -John \_ Anytime he mentions the 19 blessed martyrs or the pure soul of Mohammed Atta, he shows stupidity and evil. Don't forget about the planes and the ~ 3,000 innocents, especially the ones jumping from the tops of the buildings. \-i was once told this story: my uncle's car got a flat just outside the fence of a mental institutuion in michigan. as he was changing the tire, an inmate stood on the other side of the fence peering at him. at some point a car drove by an hit them hubcap on which the lugnuts were resting, scattering them into the vegetation making them impossible to find. my uncle just stood there in frustration, not knowing what to do, since he didnt have any spares. finally after a while, the inmate fellow spoke up and said, "you can take one lug off of the 3 other tires" ... my uncle was delighted at the solution and bit surprised at the source ... and delicatly raised the issue about his incarceration in the asylum, to which the fellow said in a deadpan, "i'm crazy, not stupid." \_ I mean stupid in the ultimate sense of stupidity of massive killing of innocents. I am not talking about technical, managerial, or inspirational skills. Osama == stupid. \- i think the "massive killing of innocents" is better characterized as "wrong" than "stupid". \_ Evil is fundamentally stupid. -- ilyas \_ "And now, Lone Star, you see why evil will always triumph over good: because good is dumb." Evil is not stupid, it is, well, evil. But why all the argumentation about semantics? The overall "wrong- ness" of certain individual goes beyond good or evil, into the area of "mad dog who should be put down", not out of any feelings of rancor, but on a purely rational basis (i.e. if he's allowed to live, he'll have another x,000 innocents killed.) But then again, I'm an elitist nazi, for what it's worth. -John \_ where's the hail german john guy? I see an opportunity here... \_ Yeah; I'm kind of worried, actually. I hope he's OK. This was a freebie... -John \_ hm still no sign of the hail john dude. John, what the hell did you do? Make death threats? \_ eh, you're probably right, but I was coming at it kind of from ilyas' angle. \_ which proves you're wrong |
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| www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the full t ranscript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday. "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankru ptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin Laden said in the transcript. He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, "using guerrilla warfare and the war of attri tion to fight tyrannical superpowers." "We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went ban krupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said. He also said al Qaeda has found it "easy for us to provoke and bait this administration." "All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point e ast to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than som e benefits for their private corporations," bin Laden said. Al-Jazeera executives said they decided to post the entire speech because rumors were circulating that the network omitted parts that "had direct threats toward specific states, which was totally untrue." "We chose the most newsworthy parts of the address and aired them. The re st was used in lower thirds in graphics format," said one official. US intelligence officials Monday confirmed that the transcript made pub lic Monday by Al-Jazeera was a complete one. As part of the "bleed-until-bankruptcy plan," bin Laden cited a British e stimate that it cost al Qaeda about $500,000 to carry out the attacks of September 11, 2001, an amount that he said paled in comparison with the costs incurred by the United States. "Every dollar of al Qaeda defeated a million dollars, by the permission o f Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs," he said. "As for th e economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars. The US federal d eficit was $413 billion in 2004, according to the Treasury Department. "It is true that this shows that al Qaeda has gained, but on the other ha nd it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something that anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bus h administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind , will be convinced. As for President Bush's Iraq policy, Bin Laden said, "the darkness of bla ck gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America. "So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, a nd Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future, " bin Laden said. US government officials said Friday that the tape appeared to be authen tic and recently made. It was the first videotaped message from the al Q aeda leader in nearly three years. |