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2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34445 Activity:moderate
10/29   Bin Laden speaks out right before the election. Is that going
        to help or hurt our great President of the United States?
        This can't help, but I'm not an pigfucking inbred moronic loser:
        "It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat
         and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting
         of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to
         carry out the operations, thank God," he said.
        \_ Hurts Dubya.  He didn't nail Osama and Osama is laughing at him.
        \_ you guys realize that the Democrats are sheltering Bin Laden
           for the purpose of winning the election right?  -conservative
           \_ How's that koolaid tonight?
           \_ Are you serious?  Who is the "Commander in Chief" right now?
        \_ Bin Laden is taunting Bush, but also trying to persuade
           Americans to vote for Kerry. So the question is: Why would
           bin Laden want Kerry as President?
           \_ http://andrewsullivan.com
              But why release a tape just before the elections? The obvious
              impact will be to help Bush. Any reminder of the 9/11 attacks
              will provoke a national rallying to the commander-in-chief. The
              deep emotional bond so many of us formed with the president back
              then is Bush's strongest weapon in this election, and OBL has
              just revived it. The real October Surprise turned out not to be
              OBL's capture (sorry, Teresa!) but OBL's resilience. I have a
              feeling that this will tip the election decisively toward the
              incumbent. A few hours ago, I thought Kerry was headed for
              victory. Now I think the opposite. I also have a sinking feeling
              that that was entirely bin Laden's objective.
              \_ I don't think criticism of Bush is meant to help Bush
                 win. How the heck do you draw that conclusion?
                 \_ Let's see... "Any reminder of the 9/11 attacks
                    will provoke a national rallying to the commander-in-chief.
                    The deep emotional bond so many of us formed with the
                    president back then is Bush's strongest weapon in this
                    election, and OBL has just revived it."  Just a random
                    guess of Andrew Sullivan's thinking, of course.
                    \_ There is a good rebuttal to this ridiculous line of
                       thinking right on his own web site.
                    \_ It's total bs-- up til now Bush could probably claim that
                       Osama was buried in a cave somehow.  It's not good for
                       Kerry, but it's definitely bad for Bush.
              \_ He might be right, but Osama is pretty nuts, and his
                 understanding of American phychology is sketchy at best.
                 Who can tell what he's thinking?
                 \_ Derka Derka Derka?
        \_ So much for the tin-foil-hat brigade saying we had him in custody
           and Bush was saving him for the Oct. surprise.
           \_ "Bin Laden" is a computer program in a pakistani movie
              studio.  The kurds will release Bin Laden (in a daring US
              Army Raid) on monday.
           \_ There's still 3 days.
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Friday, October 29, 2004 SO HE'S ALIVE II: Some of you have had the opposite reaction to the OBL t ape. Here's a typical email: Kerry's sharpest critique is that we have not done enough kill or captur e bin Laden. Seeing bin Laden alive and well reinforces--to me at least --that the president has not done his job. Because I had no reason to b elieve that bin Laden was dead before this video, seeing him now doesn' t make me more afraid of him or of an attack. And rather that making me recall good feelings about the president in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I am filled with renewed emotions of disappointment in him. Reme mber: Bush is the one that said he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" and that he "can ran but not hide." Although I suspect it will help Bush a lot, my hope is that it will have no effect either way. I don't w ant that murderous bastard to have any say on what this democracy decide s I just hope that whoever gets elected next Tuesday manages to find an d kill him. The parroting of idiotic Michael Moore points was a little pathetic for an alleged spiritual mastermind. And the re-calibration of the rationale for 9/11 - again retroactively talking of Palestinians - was the usual vile opportunism. Any reminder of the 9 /11 attacks will provoke a national rallying to the commander-in-chief. The deep emotional bond so many of us formed with the president back the n is Bush's strongest weapon in this election, and OBL has just revived it. I have a feeling that this will tip the election decisively toward the incumbent. A few hours ago, I thought Ker ry was headed for victory. I also have a sinki ng feeling that that was entirely bin Laden's objective. surprising supporters for the president amng Ara b regimes. Money quote: The Iraq quagmire may also explain why Hasan Rowhani and some other Iran ian officials (though not, by any means, all of them) would like Bush t o have a second term. So long as the US is bogged down in Iraq, it cann ot seriously contemplate toppling the regime in Iran - or, for that mat ter, in Syria. Prospects for the US remaining bogged down look rather b etter under Bush than Kerry. take on the election: Someone asked me the other day why I supported President Bush, "aside fr om the family thing" as he put it. I said I was supporting him because I thought he understood The Issue at stake better than anyone alive. And that he was on the right side of that issue from day one and every day thereafter. And tha t he was devoted to committing this nation to a course of offensive eng agement with the terror apparatus that might, just might, save us all h ere in the United States. The issue, of course, is the fight against Al Qaeda, its associates, enablers and like-mindeds. The President Bush I read about in the papers and the newsweeklies and t he blogs bears almost no resemblance to the President Bush I know and v isit with from time to time. 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