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2004/10/28 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34420 Activity:moderate
10/28   Any bets on whether the new "Al Qaeda" tape will prove to be real?
        \_ I don't think al-queda is as centralized as the administration
           says it is.  they didn't start calling themselves
           "al-queda" until the gwbush administration started blamin
            everything on them.
        \_ It IS real.  Authenticated by the CIA.  Delivered in Pakistan.
           Professionally done.  Speaker follows the news and is more
           articulate than Dubya.
           \_ Um...
              "But agency officials said they have not been able to
              authenticate the tape."
              http://csua.org/u/9pd (yahoo news)
              Also, who is leaking this shit to Drudge?
              \_ "The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape"
                 http://www.drudgereport.com/abct2.htm
                 Well, that's where I got "authenticated" from, I guess.
                 \_ Sure, a Drudge link.  Heh.
                    \_ Anyway, I guess the CIA hasn't authenticated it, but
                       from all evidence so far it's real:
                       http://ww.csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html
                       Of course, IMO, the guy is talking completely out of
                       his ass.
                       \_ In case you haven't noticed, pretty much all
                          terrorists are totally nuts.  Who but a nut job
                          could you get to drive a car full of explosives
                          someplace and BLOW HIMSELF UP?
                          \_ "talking out of his ass" = making claims that
                             he can't back up with actions
                             \_ Oh, sorry.  Does that make me a FOB?
                                \_ 5 dollah sucky sucky!
                             \_ that's not really a global definition. To
                                "talk out of one's ass" generally means
                                talking bullshit, usually in the sense of
                                making stuff up as needed. Similarly,
                                "he pulled that out of his ass" means he
                                just made something up and passed it off as
                                real.
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Politics - AFP WASHINGTON (AFP) - A man describing himself as an American member of Al-Q aeda threatened a new wave of attacks on the United States "at any momen t," in a videotape broadcast by ABC News. web sites) spokesman told A BC the 75-minute tape "appears to have been produced by Al-Qaeda's media organization, al Sahab productions," and is marked with the same logo a nd graphics seen on previous videos released by Al-Qaeda. But agency off icials said they have not been able to authenticate the tape. The US network said it acquired the tape Friday from a source known to ha ve Taliban and Al-Qaeda contacts in the tribal region of Pakistan. ABC s aid it paid the source 500 dollars in transportation fees. The tape features a man identified only as "Azzam the American," with onl y his eyes showing through a checkered black-and-white Arabic headscarf covering his face. He was holding a rifle and wearing a vest covered wit h ammunition pouches. "No, my fellow countrymen you are guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. You're as guilty as Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Powell," the man said in what he called message to America. "After decades of American tyranny and oppression, now it's our turn to die. Al lah willing, the streets of America will run red with blood matching dro p for drop the blood of American victims." Officials and experts interviewed by ABC speculated that the man on the t ape may have learned English as a child in a household of non-native spe akers and that English was not his first language. US officials believe there are several Americans working with Al-Qaeda, i ncluding Adam Gadahn, a former California student who is wanted for ques tioning by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. But intelligence officia ls told ABC the voice on the tape does not match Gadahn's or that of any Americans suspected of being part of Al-Qaeda. The info rmation contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast , rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agen ce France Presse.
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU OCT 28, 2004 17:02:35 ET XXXXX TERROR TAPE WARNS OF BUSH, CHENEY CONSEQUENCE **Exclusive** The CIA and FBI have authenticated a new al Qaeda videotape which warns o f retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney. "After decades of American tyranny, now it's your turn to die." The alarming tape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11. The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated the tape, federal sources te ll DRUDGE. He goes on to warn of an upcoming horror: "The streets will run with bloo d," and "America will mourn in silence" because they will be unable to c ount the number of the dead. "People of America, that was the verdict now for the sentencing: as parti cipants and partners in the crimes of the regime, you too shall pay the price for the blood that has been spilled."
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By Gretchen Peters | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN A new videotape that has surfaced in Pakistan threa tens a massive attack against the United States by a purported American member of Al Qaeda. It is not yet known if the tape is an authentic Al Q aeda production, but it bears enough resemblance that some experts are t aking the tape seriously. The chilling 75-minute digital videotape, seen by a Christian Science Mon itor reporter in Pakistan, where it was obtained by ABC News, shows a hi gh degree of sophistication and bears the logo of Al Qaeda's video produ ction house, As-Sahab. Permission to reprint/republish On the video, the unknown man's face is masked with a Palestinian scarf a nd sunglasses. He stabs the air with his finger, which appears to be fai r-skinned, as he delivers his warning in American-accented English. "Allah willing, the streets of America will run red with blood, matching drop for drop the blood of America's victims," says the speaker, who cal ls himself Azzam al Amriki (or Azzam the American). "What took place on September 11th was but the opening salvo in the global war on America." This is the first time a purported Al Qaeda video has featured an English -speaking messenger, and while he references the top two Al Qaeda leader s, neither Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri appear. This unique circ umstance, as well as the highly charged timing of the tape's release jus t days before Americans head to the polls, has the US intelligence commu nity approaching the tape with caution. "As-Sahab is an Al Qaeda propaganda outfit and engages in psychological w arfare," says Bruce Hoffman, an expert on terror at the RAND Corp. 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