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2004/10/28 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34401 Activity:high
10/28   Smoking gun on the explosives issue:
        http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102904Y.shtml
        \_ Liberal media consipracy.  Jason Blair.  CBS.  NANANANANA
           CAN'T HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAR YOU.
        \_ This isn't anything like a smoking gun for anyone seeking a real
           answer.  Your link says that they don't know what they were
           looking at.  It says the place was looted but it would have been
           "unlikely" anyone could haul 380 tons of anything away while the
           streets were "jammed with American armor".  This is a very serious
           issue and you're making a big fucking joke of it.  If the stuff was
           gone before we got there, we need to know that.  If it was somehow
           looted (all 380 tons) by the guys with the pickup truck mentioned
           in your link, then we need to know that.  If it was moved to Syria
           or just other places inside the country which had 1 *million tons
           of other crap all over the place, we need to know that.  Your link
           is speculation, not fact and certainly not a smoking gun.  No one
           needs to cry out "liberal bias!" to see your link doesn't say what
           you say it says.  Your link isn't biased.  It reports facts.  You
           are spinning the facts presented by the media into biased and
           unsubstantiated conclusions.
           \_ see first comment
           \_ http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1
              Couldn't be clearer.
              Yahoo News on the analysis:
              link:csua.org/u/9pc
              \_ The second URL doesn't go anywhere.
        \_ There has been no smoking gun.  It's STILL not clear what happened
           to the 380 tons of RDX/HMX between March and May 2003.  Securing
           this facility was not a priority for Dubya -- finding bio,
           chemical, and more significant nuclear components was his priority.
                 \_ No it wasn't.  This was one of the biggest friggin
                    NUCLEAR sites in Iraq!
                    \_ What else besides RDX/HMX was nuclear-related at
                       Al-Qaqaa in March, 2003?
                       \_ A huge amount of dual use manufacturing and
                          research equipment.  Also all looted.
                          \_ Are you sure this was at Al-Qaqaa?
           What is clear?  The general problem of not having enough troops,
           widespread looting of explosives from arms sites and from every
           public institution that began immediately after Baghdad fell (if
           not earlier), and the post-war plan being botched in general.
        \_ What are "proximity fuses" made out of? This is a serious
           question.
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KSTP-TV report has a video link at the top which shows the embedded reporters filming the now-dis puted explosive materials at the al Qaqaa facility in Iraq. bear in mind that it is a Wi ndows Media file and may not play on all computers. You will also have to sit through a short commercial for an SUV. Recall that nearly 400 tons of highly explosive material - the same kind of stuff used to create the Lockerbie airline disaster, and the same k ind of stuff used to blow a hole in the USS Cole - went missing after t he US invaded Iraq. John Kerry points to the fact that no troops were used to guard al Qaqaa as an example of Bush administration incompetence in Iraq, while the Bush campaign is attempting to claim that the material had been removed bef ore the invasion. The latest explanation, floated this morning, is that the Russians took it before we came in. 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EXCLUSIVE: MORE BREAKING NEWS ABOUT EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN I RAQ Updated: 10/28/2004 04:49:35 PM Seals used by the IAEA (top). A seal on an Iraqi bunker door videotaped b y a 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew on April 18, 2003 (bottom). A 5 Eyewitness News crew in Iraq may have been just a door away from mate rials that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. The evidence is in videotape shot by Reporter Dean Staley and Photographer Joe Caffrey at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility. A spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Agency told 5 Eyewitne ss News that seal appears to be one used by their inspectors. "In Iraq t hey were used when there was a concern that this could have a, what we c all, dual use purpose, that there could be a nuclear weapons application ." Watch 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS at 5:00, 6:00 and 10:00 for more insight on these seals the the weapons discovered in Iraq.