10/20 The snobbery of the elite liberals continues:
http://csua.org/u/9km
\_ I wonder what kind of ketchup they serve in the White House?
\_ Maybe W ketchup. Supposedly bush supporters put out their
own brand of ketchup because "You don't support Kerry, why
should your ketchup". I mangled that, but it was something
similar.
\_ *shrug* It's not like the left side of the theater has a monopoly
on elite snobbery.
\_ It's sounds to me more like Mrs. Heinz-Kerry has never had what
I would define as "a real job."
\_ What are you talking about?
\_ A woman worth $1 billion that she inherited should not
be talking about who has or has not had a "real job".
\_ Are you saying she does not have a real job?
\_ Yes, and never has.
\_ Have you done any research into her previous job
history?
\_ I am sure she worked at Wendy's and did
tricks to come up with the last $100 of rent
money. She's basically a billionaire
philanthropist. She's never had to work.
\_ I take that as a no. Please stop talking
out of your ass next time.
\_ I think this is particularly ironic,
considering Teresa Heinz later apologized
for not knowing Laura Bush worked as a
librarian and a teacher.
\_ There is no irony. I'm the same person
who posted that fact at the bottom
of the thread, and the same person
who's been responding to you.
\_ Oddly enough, I'm not "you" nor any
of the other posters on this sub-
thread.
\_ Too bad it doesn't change my point.
\_ I was merely pointing out an
incorrect assumption on your
part.
\_ Like, duh!
\_ Hey, even I knew that, and I don't
pay attention to this kind of stuff
and don't care. -- ilyas
\_ Not sure what Teresa Heinz's job history may be, but she is
snobbish and a bitch. So says my brother, who know the Heinzes
and roomed with Chris Heinz in college. I think most people
will say that the W's make better house guests and dinner
companions, but I don't know what relevance that has to the
election.
\_ Instead of "snobbish and a bitch", how about: knows what
she feels and will tell you honestly about it instead of
backstabbing with gossip?
\_ I don't imagine that my brother has been backstabbed
by her. I do know that he has been snubbed by her for
not being worthy. Perhaps you've had a different
experience with her. Care to share?
\_ No, I do not have any second-hand experiences from
a brother to relate. I do trust these interviews, where
her personality leaks out, more than what your brother
says, obviously.
\_ You'll understand that I trust my brother's personal
experiences more than what I can infer from some
staged and prepped interviews.
\_ Sure, you can believe your brother, since it's
your right to believe what you want to believe.
\_ I'm glad you approve. And I'll be happy to
extend to you the same privilege of believing
whatever you want to believe.
\_ It's an inherent right. No one is extending
anyone anything. Duh.
\_ As you wish. I'll go back to watching
interviews to see if I can infer more
about my politicians from them.
\_ Note I did not posit any request to
you for you to say "as you wish".
I would urge you to evalute interviews
on a case by case basis as well,
instead of implying that they're
all less useful than stories from
your older brother.
\_ Let me see... On one hand, I have
my brother, who roomed with Chris
freshman year, still exchanges
occasional emails with him, and
has met Teresa several times over
the course of a year of living
with her son. On the other hand,
I can study Teresa under the
artificial condition of a staged
interview, where she was no doubt
on guard to try to present a good
image of herself, and where she
was likely prepped by handlers
on how to answer the interview
questions and on how to conduct
herself. Tough choice.
\_ I don't believe we are
covering any new ground.
I've said my piece, you've
said yours.
said yours. If we were on
O'Reilly, this is where he'd
say, "Now we let the viewers
decide".
\_ Tell you what... I'll ask
Chris if his mom is a snob
when I see him at my bro's
wedding next spring. Would
that be a definitive enough
answer for you? Or will
you still cling to your
interview inferences?
\_ Probably won't help, but
thanks. I think what
could help more are highly
descriptive stories
(rather than just the
concluding label of "snob"
or "bitch") from which
people can make their own
judgments.
\_ I'll just note that
it's interesting to
see how your position
has shifted over the
length of this thread.
\_ Please state in
one sentence what
has shifted.
Please think about
this sentence
carefully before
you post. Thanks.
\_ Nope, I can't do
it in one
sentence. Why
this silly
requirement?
\_ instead of "snubbed by her for not being worthy", how
about: she didn't want to hang out with your brother
but wanted to hang out with someone else instead?
\_ Oh you were there too! That must have been a
crowded dorm room.
\_ Clearly I am suggesting a reasonable alternative
to your brother's interpretation of what
happened; and clearly everyone understands that
your brother was there and I was not; and clearly
everyone *should* understand there is weight in
both positions.
\_ Alex Kerry (John's daughter) doesn't like her either.
\_ John Kerry married an ice-queen! He's clearly unfit to be
commander in chief!
\_ I don't know that the nicest and most friendly people
also make the best presidents. However, attempts to
buff up Teresa Heinz's character clearly implies that
some people do think so.
\_ She's a South African Republican bitch. The fact
that she and Kerry have a lot in common
(apparently) is scary and worth noting.
\_ I thought we had gotten beyond denigrating people for
where they came from.
\_ The conservative spin machine goes into overdrive. Determining
there is an insult where there is not: "Well, you know, I don't
know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in
her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real
job -- I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her
validation comes from important things, but different things. I'm
older, and my validation of what I do is a little bit bigger --
because I'm older, and I've had different experiences."
\_ Actually it's just annoying because she's stupid. I never
thought it was an insult, but I usually figure that you
should keep your yap shut if you don't know what you're
talking about.
\_ But apparently you think it's ok to be president of the
United States if you don't know what you're talking about.
amazing.
\_ Did I say I was a Bush supporter? You're an idiot.
\_ "stupid"... from what do you gather this? "snobbery"...
from what do you gather that? I smell Limbaugher.
\_ To state that you don't know anything about someone
and then go on to postulate about what kind of jobs
they've held in the past is, well, stupid. The
assumptions she makes about said jobs is snobbish.
\_ You are really reading into this too much.
Bang!
You've just been spun by the conservative spin machine.
\_ Umm.. the quote is directly above this post.
Which part of is has been spun by the
"conservative spin machine?"
\_ *All* of the quote above. Taken in context, it
is not an attack on Laura Bush.
If you don't know what the "conservative spin
machine" is, recall "sensitive war on terror"
and Dubya having said the same thing.
\_ Wow, you have some reading problems don't
you. As I said above, I never thought it
was an insult, or an attack, on Laura
Bush. It's just stupid.
\_ Nah, I just think THK got used by the
Republican spin machine. I don't think
what she said was stupid.
\_ The AP is a conservative spin machine! Call out
the tin-foil corps!
\_ What she said makes sense to me.
She should realize that Republicans are evil when it comes
to taking quotes out of context.
It's not stupid not to realize this.
\_ Some people just seem to have a real skill for pedial-oral
insertion.
insertion. [ don't change this, make your own joke ]
\_ And the Bush folks miss the point:
'Karen Hughes, an adviser to President Bush, criticized Heinz
Kerry's remarks as "indicative of an unfortunate mind-set that
seeks to divide women based on who works at home and who works
outside the home."'
So even Karen Hughes seems to think that Laura Bush has always been
a stay-at-home mom.
\_ Republican - spin - machine.
I doubt Karen Hughes really thinks that.
On a note of fairness, Teresa Heinz-Kerry issued a press release
apologizing for not having known that Laura Bush was a
teacher and librarian. I doubt Heinz-Kerry didn't know that.
Democratic - unspin - machine.
\_ Which sounds more likely?:
THK knew Laura Bush's history and decided to talk smack about
it in the face of logic. -OR-
THK was uninformed but talked out her ass anyway
\_ I'm putting my money on the latter. THK is very proud
of her record as "opinionated" and "outspoken." In
other words, she proud of her ability to talk out her
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