10/13 http://cbsnews.com - "But on one point, Kerry was disgraceful, and that is
too weak a word. His mention of Cheney's daughter was gratuitous and
heinous. I agree completely with Mrs. Cheney, who said tonight,
'This is not a good man. This is coming from a mom. What a cheap and
tawdry political trick.'"
Momma is wrong. Kerry told it like it was. The vast majority of
gay men and women are born that way. It is not a matter of choice.
Sorry. This needs to be said more often by a leading American
presidential candidate.
I also happen to remember now that I had lost all respect for Mrs.
Cheney in her comments about the "sensitive war on terror".
It's not Kerry who is evil - it's Mrs. Cheney.
\_ You're missing the point. There was no need to bring up the
VP's daughter's sexuality to say what he believed about sexuality.
It was a weak attempt to split the conservative vote by reminding
them Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. Everyone groaned because
they say it for what it was and it wasn't good no matter how you
want to spin it. But Kerry did something far worse which will
hurt him with women everywhere. I knew his last answer was bad
but the women in the room dropped their jaws. Kitty Dukakis
anyone?
\_ No, YOU'RE missing the point. You and Mrs. Cheney see something
where there isn't. The truth is that being gay or lesbian in the
vast majority of cases is not a choice. If this splits the
conservative vote because their brains are so small that they'll
not turn out to vote because Cheney's daughter is lesbian, then
that's their problem. They'd already know this fact if they
watched the VP debate, anyway.
\_ Being gay or lesbian IS a choice, dumbass. What are you going
to claim next, that abstinence isn't a choice, that being
a liberal or conservative isn't a choice, that committing
suicide isn't a choice? There isn't anything physical
that makes you gay or straight. Some people are gay
and end up being bi, some are straight and end up being
gay. Just because you have a sexual preference doesn't
mean somehow you're branded with it. Certainly some of
us have a strong reaction towards something, but
making sexual orientation sound like it's a physical
attribute is just plain wrong. Unless you want to
get into a big debate about the concept of free will,
then you cannot simply posit that sexual preference
is not a choice.
\_ (a) There are genetic gays. Some animals are born
gay. Did they choose it?
(b) I don't think my heterosexuality is a choice in
a sense that I don't think I can wake up one day and
decide to be gay, and have it be anything more than
massive self-delusion. -- ilyas
\_ Come on ilyas. You know those big gay pandas are just
lying to themselves. We need to bring them in with the
LORD!
\_ You're simply wrong on this, and it's unlikely that
your mind will be changed until you talk about it
with someone close to you who is gay. I hope you will
be willing to listen.
\_ The emerging scientific (and public) concensus is that
homosexuality is largely genetic. Obviously choosing to
engage in gay sex is a choice, but since most people's
attraction to the opposite sex seems ingrained, how can
you say attraction to the same sex is not also ingrained?
\_ Wow. You *really* need to get out and meet some new
kinds of people.
\_ Out of curiosity, do you belong to a church that teaches
that gays are going to hell?
\- the "armies of compassion" have been dispatched to come get you.
\_ I don't think that this statement of yours is a proven fact.
\_ a big part of the Gay Agenda is to convince heterosexuals that
\_ a big part of the Big Gay Agenda is to convince heterosexuals that
they are gay so they can have sex with them.
\_ Proven schientifically!
\_ at least my gay friends tell "warn" me about it
\_ Hope your gay friends are more comprehensible than you.
\_ grammar are teh gay! |