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10/12 Bud Day is the most decorated soldier since MacArthur in WWII
A True War Hero Speaks on Kerry
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14898
\_ I would like to point out the incumbent has involved us in
a long messy guerilla war we have no hope of winning ever,
just to promote the 100 percent free market ideals
of his masters. thanks. - danh
\_ I really wonder what people like yourself did during the
first years of WWII or Korea. I imagine some committed
suicide because of the impending doom.
\_ You, sir, are no FDR!
\_ Hey, it's hard work. No one said it wasn't going to be hard
work. -Dubya
\_ Er, didn't this already get posted, discussed, flamebaited,
and run into the ground? Swift Boat Guy, are you back?
\_ Yes. The thread has been restored in its entirety.
Gawd Bless AmeriKKKa.
\_ So Bud Day, a POW, does not think kindly of the anti-war movement.
What's new? It was a very ethically challenging time.
\_ To sum: John Kerry, WDYHA?
\_ Attaboy... don't ever think about your mistakes. It's just a
sign of a poor leader.
\_ All the medals in the world can't change the fact that Vietnam
was arguably America's dirtiest war. I love the smell of napalm
in the morning. That soldier needs to read The Best and The
Brightest.
\_ Why, because Kerry and Fonda said so?
\_ Open your eyes. Four million civilians died in this war.
As for you, you can watch Fog of War, in which the Secretary
of Defense at the time gives his personal views of the war.
\_ i think a larger ratio of the population in Vietnam died
than the russian korean french and german population excuses
you give
\_ 4 million is exaggerated. McNammara is responsible for
the outcome, he is an asshole of grandest kind - why
should I listen to anything he says? He completely
botches the war effort and then expects people to listen
to his contrite exculpation - he was part of the problem.
800,000 died in the battle of Stalingrad, more at Kursk,
300,000+ at Okinawa, 2+ million in the Korean War.
Was Korea a bad idea too?
\_ *YES* If USA didn't cross the 38th parallel line,
Chinese would not of being involved. You would have
\_ *YES* If USA didn't cross the 38th parallel, PRC
would not have being involved. You would have
a lot less casualty then. Unfortunately, USA's
mentality was blinded by their ideology, completely
miscalculate the rational behind China's involvement.
mentality was blinded by its ideology, completely
miscalculating the rationale behind China's involvement.
Then again, we are waging this "war on terror" and
"war on iraq" without clear understanding of why our
enemy was fighting against us neither.
"war on Iraq" without a clear understanding of why our
enemy is fighting against us.
\_ above has been processed by volunteer english
correcting daemon
\_ thank you
\_ "You ... we" Make up your mind.
\_ Nothing wrong with crossing the 38th parallel
to destroy a regime that believed in the evil
communist cult, and invaded first. US probably
should have started a dialogue with PRC though.
\_ Crossing the 38th parallel was fine. We should
have talked to the PRC about it, but there's
nothing wrong with crushing an expansionist
oppressive communist regime that attacked first.
Furthermore, there were plenty of reasons to
reunite Korea at the time, and it has only
become more desireable in hindsight. -jrleek
\_ WW2: America and its allies were attacked first.
Korea: South Korea was attacked first.
Vietnam: ... duh.
Are you really this stupid?
The 4 million figure has generally not been challenged,
with notable exception to your "4 million is
exaggerated" brilliant expository.
Why should you view McNamara's interview? He was
Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War. If you
don't want to hear this viewpoint, it's certainly
your right to block out this essential primary source.
\_ Your history is completely wrong. Ho
Chi Minh attacked the South, not the other way
around. Vietnam was a defensive war honoring
SEATO treaties.
\_ The reason for a war, while important, does not
excuse bad conduct. You could argue either side,
from "we continued a French colonialist spat" to
"we were safeguarding an independent country." The
problem is that there was never a clear mandate,
the RVN was a corrupt and doomed system (for
whatever reason), US leadership treated the war
as sort of a playground for new ideas, and many
US troops acted wrongly. In a situation like that
of the US in Vietnam, having the clear moral high
ground is tremendously important, no matter what
you do. We lost it, so even if the war was fought
on good reasons (as I think) both strategically and
philosophically, we fucked it up royally. -John
\_ Just little fact. When WW2 ended, USA actually
recognized N.Vietnam government for a split
second, then reversed its decision once USA found
N.Vietnamese government's Communist nature.
It is unfortunate that until TODAY, most people
in USA still don't understand people's desire
of self-determination over all other things
which USA treasures: Christianity, human right,
democracy. For many, USA is just an continuation
of European's imperial conquest, driven by
doctrine of White Man's Burden written centries
ago.
\_ Yup, let's stop paying all those third world
countries. Fuck White Man's Burden, let em
starve.
\_ Yes, we should support self determination for
Taiwan.
\_ Chicom troll = pwned.
\_ And Tibet.
\_ I would like to point out the incumbent has involved us in
a long messy guerilla war we have no hope of winning ever,
just to promote the 100 percent free market ideals
of his masters. thanks. - danh
\_ I really wonder what people like yourself did during the
first years of WWII or Korea. I imagine some committed
suicide because of the impending doom.
\_ Er, didn't this already get posted, discussed, flamebaited,
and run into the ground? Swift Boat Guy, are you back?
\_ Your Vietnamese history is wrong. The three
regions of Vietnam voted, two chose to stay
aligned with France. The third, the North,
split. This was not good enough for Ho Chi
Minh, so he attacked the South.
\_ huh? what have you been smoking?
\_ Do you think that posting this again day after day is going to
convert more voters to your crusade?
\_ Only what I want to talk about matters and I will keep posting it
and reposting it ad initium forever. Get used to it. |
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| www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14898 "Bud" Day is one of America's most decorated living warriors. A Vietnam POW from 1967- 1973, he is the proud owner of a Medal of Honor. Here is his letter to Joe Scarborough of MSNBC: Dear Joe: The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been, what Jo hn Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam. Kerry cast a long d ark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before th e Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate com mittee were absolute lies fabrications perjury fantasies, with NO substa nce. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran populat ion, and given "Aid and Comfort" to our enemies... Kerry's stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy f ollowers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized th at George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that r eturning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as "baby ki llers". Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lo ts of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds even a si lver star. John O' Neil, himself a Swiftboat commander, spoke out before t he 1972 elections against Kerry's outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry's self serving lies . I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the t estimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and th e radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on, they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every d ay the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to fol low the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battle field reverses. The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of th eir combat strategy. While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable US Soldiers, Sailors, Ma rines and Air Foce members were being killed in combat. Every battle wou nd to Americans after Kerry's misdirected testimony is related to Kerry' s untruthfulness. John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths wi th his lies about US atrocities in Vietnam. He likewise defamed the U S with our allies and supporters. His conduct also extended the impriso nment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one. I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony, which might have been pre vented with an earlier release of the POWs. My friend and roommate Senator John S McCain denounced the Swiftboat vid eo by John O'Neil. I have a different take on the Swiftboat tape and dis agree with my good friend John. John Kerry's character is not onl y fair game, it is the primary issue. He wants to use Bill Clinton's "is", as an answer to his lack of character. When a witness perjures himself at trial, the judge notes t hat his testimony lacks credibility. I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionar y War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liaison with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris. His record as a Senator for twenty years has been pitiful. Con jure up, if you will, one major bill that he has sponsored. "Bud" Day is one of America's most decorated living warriors. A Vietnam POW from 1967- 1973, he is the proud owner of a Medal of Honor. FPM DIGEST: WEEK OF July 5 TABLE OF CONTENTS What to do about the Oil-for-Food Scandal Here Come the Massachusetts Democrats Farewell, Chairman Bill The Iran-Syrian Connection Fake Handoff War Blog The Ayatollahs' Final Solution? The Test Ahead for America Jews, Be Jews Iraqi Optimists vs. US Pessimists Iraqi Terrorists Almost Snatched Chemical Warheads Hezbollah's Hollywood Hero Fear Syria's Economic Might, Great Satan! of Terror Federal Bureau of Islamists Leftist Accomplices to Terror Iran's Suicide Registration Service What's Behind Anti-American Hate? 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