10/10   Please read the latest announcement on motd.official if you don't
        usually. - jvarga
        \_ The reason for this is so that you can move /var/mail to another
           machine and nfs mount it from soda.  You also want to move off
           soda accounts and merge them with office accounts and mount those
           on soda via nfs.  All because you don't know how to admin soda's
           daemons or upgrade the kernel.  Somehow I think this is the wrong
           way to go about it.
        \_ You are truly a dumbass.  What do you expect to find?
           \_ Signal: 0.  Noise: 100.  Troll value: nil.
              \_ Absent the insult, the question still remains.  What is
                 jvarga trying to learn from this exercise?
                 \_ maybe he wants "real" users to test out new HW before
                    putting it into production and to also help compare it
                    to the older shit that was there before.  Yeah, let's
                    put new hw into use without testing.
                    \_ No, that doesn't make any sense.  New hardware always
                       works perfectly every time.  Nothing has even been
                       DOA or died in the first week of production use.  The
                       idea that someone might want to test or burn in a new
                       build is just wild and only a dumbass would do testing.
                       I learned everything I needed to know about technology
                       from the motd.
                       \_ If you spoke less rashly and listened more carefully,
                          you might actually learn something.
                          \_ So if I just shutup and listened to your greater
                             wisdom which seems to imply that user testing is
                             useless and jvarga is a dumbass I would come away
                             with useful technical knowledge I could apply in
                             the future in production environment?  Like this?
                             "Boss, I'm sorry, but the motd said there's no
                              point in testing that production raid array
                              before we go live with it, so you're just a
                              dumbass for even thinking about it".  I'll try
                              that next time.
                              \_ If I were your boss, I'd certainly want to
                                 know what you are trying to achieve with
                                 your proposed testing and whether your
                                 proposal is appropriate for your goal.  A
                                 later post claims that they want "people to
                                 pound the hell out of the NFS mounts and tell
                                 us how stable they are".  Is that the goal?
                                 Will random users doing whatever really tell
                                 us anything about how stressed the disks
                                 were?   Would that be the most effective way
                                 to stress the disks with representative
                                 traffic?
                    \_ Is user testing the right way to check if a drive
                       is prone to infant mortality?  Is checking one drive
                       under linux nfs and another under freebsd reasonable
                       if one is trying to catch hardware errors?  There are
                       probably better ways to test for hardware robustness.
                       So the question remains.  What is jvarga trying to
                       test for?
                       \_ People continually bitch and moan about the horror of
                          NFS and how much it sucked when they used it, but
                          none of those people seem to have any legitimate
                          complaints from any time in the last few years.
                          We're testing the stability of NFS on FreeBSD and
                          Debian Linux to see if the issues people are crying
                          about still exist.  We want people to pound the hell
                          out of the NFS mounts and tell us how stable they
                          are.  The results of this test are the last influence
                          on our choice of hardware setup for Soda Mark VII.
                          \_ So do you think a bunch of random users doing
                             whatever is a good way to stress test NFS for
                             stability and bugginess?  Here I assume that
                             NFS is not trivially broken.
                             \_ If you have a better idea, please feel free
                                to try it out.  Or, if you don't think this
                                stuff needs to be tested before being put into
                                production, mail root and I'm sure they can
                                move your home directory over.
                             \_ Jesus Christ, if you have a suggestion for the
                                guy, make it; otherwise shut the fuck up with
                                this wannabe Socratic Method nonsense.