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2004/10/9-11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34008 Activity:high
10/9    Conservatives control the House, the Senate, the President, and two
        Supreme Court Justices.  How do they still manage to come off as the
        victims of some huge liberal media conspiracy?
        \_ The control of the media by foreign liberal elements is well
           documented.
           http://csua.org/u/9eg
        \_ In case you didn't notice, members of the House, Senate, Presidency,
           and Supreme Court neither write newspaper articles, nor do they
           read the network news on the air every night.
           \_ OP knows.  He's just a troll.
        \_ A little piece of news for you - most Congressional Republicans
           are not conservative.  The conservatives embody a relatively
           small minority of the Congressional Republicans.
           \_ So true. Most Congressional Republicans are part of the New
              World Order Illuminati/Masonic conspiracy to kill our unborn
              children, take away our guns and sell us into bondage to the UN.
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Seymour Hersh: Missing Zionist-Israel Connection (continued) by JAMES PETRAS In looking for documentary sources of torture interrogation Hersh relies on academic texts and 20 year old CIA manuals, not Israeli practice wide ly disseminated by the Mossad and Shin Bet advisers presently involved i n torture in neighboring Palestine and Iraq today. Hersh is presented in the mass media as an iconoclastic, investigative jo urnalist, a role which gives his reportages and exposs a great deal of credibility. Yet it was Seymour Hersh who publicly defended torture of s uspects and their family members as a method of interrogation, citing th e Israeli examples in the wake of September 11, justifying torture in th e same way as the Pentagon now justifies the torture of Iraqi suspects. Instead of citing an obscure professor at the University of Chicago, Hers h should have cited the influential tract defending torture by Harvard L aw Professor Alan Dershowitz (a fellow Zionist) widely read by the civil ian militarists who run the Pentagon, and direct the chain of command le ading to interrogation through torture. Hersch's account fails to provide a political context in the Pentagon and in the Middle East for the systematic use of torture. To understand the issue of the US practice of torture and violent abuse of Iraqi prisoner s and civilians requires an examination of the ideological demonization of the Iraqi population the Arabs and the US unconditional political and military support for the state of Israel, the principal long-term large -scale practitioner of torture against Arabs. The most vitriolic systematic denigration of Arabs and Muslims in the Mid dle East is found in the writings an speeches of influential US-based Zi onist ideologues, like the Pipes (father and son), the Kristols (senior and junior), the Kagans, Cohens, Goldhagens and others. The first step t oward justifying torture is to dehumanize the victim, to label them as u ntermensch (congenitally violent savages). The Zionists in the US were merely following the pronouncements of their ideological mentors in Israel who not infrequently proclaimed that the o nly thing the Arab understands is force (Sharon, Golda Meier, Dayan, Rab in etc&). The Zionist ideologues in the Pentagon were influential in arousing hatre d of Arabs in several ways. First in their defense of Israel they delibe rately distorted the nature of Israel s colonial war, blaming the Palest inian victims for the systematic violence which Israel inflicted on them . 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