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10/4    http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/94/102926.htm?GT1=5370
        I've been saying this for a while but no one listens to me.
        Living in suburbs increases our dependency on automobiles and
        decreases our standard of living (traffic/waste of time/
        pollution). In addition, living in suburbs may increase
        isolation and depression.
        \_ Uh... duh?
        \_ In other news, whiny metrosexuals post non-news items that
           we already knew twenty years ago. Thank you for playing.
           Next?
           \_ That's a weird response. Weirdo.
        \_ Oh no! We should go back in time and kill Eisenhower to stop it
                \_ what does Ike have anything to do with this?
                   \_ Something to do with the Interstate system?
        \_ recent article in the NYTimes Magazine countering this very idea.
           Some points the author makes are good, though many are weak.
           Link to mirror since its archived on http://nytimes.com already:
           http://snipurl.com/9jsp                      - rory
        \_ Is this just an around about way of saying Republicans: evil/stupid
           and Democrats: good/smart?  We should all pack into a tight city,
           sell our SUVs, walk crime ridden streets carrying our groceries
           home on our bikes singing kumbaya?  Hint: the suburbs are packed
           full of SUV driving democrats.
           \_ right.  so the only alternatives are living in some kind of
              massive urban shithole like SF or some kind of massive
              suburban shithole like orange county, huh? you just keep
              thinking that, and those of us who live someplace decent
              won't have to see your dumb ass.
              \_ Nice personal slam.  Tell us what fanatastic and unique place
                 you live in and we'll talk about it.  Until then you're just
                 blowing smoke.  I won't bother calling you any names.  It
                 isn't necessary.
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A new study shows that people who live in areas with a high degree of sub urban sprawl are more likely to report chronic health problems, such as high blood pressure, arthritis, headaches, and breathing difficulties, t han those who live in urban areas. Researchers say the findings suggest that an adult who lives in a more sp rawling city, such as Atlanta, may have the same health status as a simi lar person four years older who lives in a more compact city, such as Se attle. But despite those who say living in the suburbs may breed isolation and d epression, researchers found no evidence that suburban living increased the risk of mental health disorders. Instead, they propose that suburbanites' dependence on cars to get around may be responsible for their higher rates of health problems. "This prob ably plays an important role in the health effects we observe." The results appear in the October issue of the journal Public Health. In the study, researchers analyzed information gathered by the Healthcare for Communities surveys conducted in 1998 and 2001, which contain infor mation on physical and mental health for more than 8,600 people in 38 me tropolitan areas across the US Researchers then compared the responses of the participants according to the degree of sprawl in the area in which they lived. Sprawling areas were defined as those that had: * Streets that are not well connected, such as cul-de-sacs rather than a well-connected grid layout * Homes, schools, work, and shopping areas that are far from each other * Few people living per square mile (low population density) * No or little centralized downtown area The study showed that people living in sprawling areas reported a greater number of chronic medical conditions than those living in more compact areas. Researchers say the link between suburban life and higher risk of physica l health problems remained significant even after they controlled for fa ctors like age, economic status, race, and local environment that might help explain the disparity. They say suburban sprawl seems to have a disproportionate impact on the p hysical health of the elderly and possibly the poor. These groups may ha ve less access to motor transportation and have more difficulty in walki ng the greater distances to destinations such as markets or parks. "To improve our health the study suggests that we should build cities whe re people feel comfortable walking and are not so dependent on cars," sa ys RAND researcher Deborah Cohen, MD, in the release. "This study gives the public a way to personalize the issue of sprawl in a way that hasn't happened before." Regions with the worst suburban sprawl included: * Riverside-San Bernardino region of California * Atlanta * Winston-Salem, NC * Greenville-Spartanburg, SC * West Palm Beach, Fla.
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Printable version by John Tierney -- Times's Washington bureau correspondent Relevance: Mark Delucchi, a cost-benefit analyst at the University of Cal ifornia, Davis, attempted to factor in social costs of automobiles and f ound that the car is still at least twice as cheap per passenger mile as public transit. When you drive into San Diego on Interstate 15, you can see the highway o f the future. In fact, you can see two different versions of it in the s ame lanes. In the center of each of the express lanes are faint black smudges, each a couple inches in diameter, spaced at intervals 12 meters apart. A car with the right equipment can drive down the road all by itself, guided by the magnets and radar that tracks nearby cars. Here at last is the automated road that futurists h ave been promising for so long. 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Americ ans, liberated from bumper-to-bumper traffic, could rediscover the joy o f driving -- and that, paradoxically, is one reason why it would be so p olitically difficult to actually install this technology across the coun try. Any policy encouraging drivers to use their axles of evil is now su spect. Americans still love their own cars, but they're sick of everyone else's. The car is blamed for everything from global warming to the war in Iraq to the transformation of America into a land of strip malls and soulles s subdivisions filled with fat, lonely suburbanites. Three years ago, at a ribbon-cutting ceremony for a ne w freeway just outside Los Angeles, Gov. Gray Davis declared that it wou ld be the last one built in the state. Standing at the cradle of car cul ture, he said it was time to find other ways to move people. I sympathize with the critics, because I don't like even my own car. I lived in Manhattan and pi tied the suburbanites driving to the mall. When I moved to Washington an d joined their ranks, I picked a home in smart-growth heaven, near a bik e path and a subway station. Most days I skate or bike downtown, filled with righteous Schadenfreude as I roll past drivers stuck in traffic. Th e rest of the time I usually take the subway, and on the rare day I go b y car, I hate the drive. But I no longer believe that my tastes should be public policy. I've been converted by a renegade school of thinkers you might call the autonomis ts, because they extol the autonomy made possible by automobiles. They call smart growth a dumb idea, the result not of rational planning but of class snobbery and intellectual arrogance. They prefer to promote smart driving, which means more tolls, more roads and, yes, m ore cars. 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