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10/4 I read on Drudge Report that Kerry used a magic penis to beat
GWB in the debate. It must be true, because everyone knows
that GWB is smarter, stronger and better looking that Skerry
Kerry. Why won't the liberal media report on this???
\_ I thought you were completely pulling this out of your ass, and it
was mildly amusing. The fact that there's a basis in truth is
mildly horrifying.
\_ Poll: The most pathetic motd troll in the last 2 weeks:
This one: .
\_ Oh boo hoo, your idiot partisan Drudge has been shown
up again. Let's change the subject, quickly.
\_ I've seen film that shows it looks like paper. Where is the
film showing it looks like a pen? URL? Would some sort of
film showing it looks like a penis? URL? Would some sort of
proof be too hard to deal with when making a claim?
\_ Drudge links to the pen thing himself. It's still
\_ Drudge links to the penis thing himself. It's still
against debate rules. ie Drudge had more balls than op.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm
\_ Why can't you post links from the Daily Sun? At least
they have the Page 3 girls.
\_ http://www.page3.com
W00t w00t always glad to provide some Eurotrash
prurience into your dismal druge-ridden puritan
lives. And no it's not work safe. -John
\_ Hey moron: Bringing a prop or notes was against debate
rules. Carrying a sanctioned pen to debate is not
rules. Carrying a sanctioned penis to debate is not
against debate rules.
\_ Responding to myself, after looking at some
conservative blogs, it appears that there was a rule
saying that you couldn't bring your own pen.
saying that you couldn't bring your own penis.
(they are supplied on the lectern)
\_ Uhm, you know the rules were PUBLISHED. Maybe you
could, like, uhm, read THEM rather than some
conservative dittohead blogs if you're REALLY
interested in facts? Just a thought.
\_ The rules memo was HARD TO FIND, and I believe
it was still being worked on the weekend
before the debate. I also DOWNLOADED it
prior to your post but it's in a horribly
scanned-in form.
\_ It doesn't qualify as a troll. It's just more frothing.
\_ Troll: anyone who points out Republicans acting stupid.
\_ Watch the video, it looks like a piece or pieces of paper.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog
Wanting to know if a candidate cheats is not a troll or
frothing, it's character.
\_ True. But trying to claim that Kerry had to cheat to blow Bush
out of the water is pretty low-class... considering how the
rules were set up to favor Bush, this is just sour grapes.
\_ Out of curiousity, how were they so set up?
\_ Moron #2: If you checked the URL earlier in the thread, you
would have found that it was definitely a pen he pulled out:
would have found that it was definitely a penis he pulled out:
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm
\_ Who is the moron - someone who watches the video and
looks at the stills for themselves, or another person
who believes as gospel everything they read in
print? You still watch Dan Rather, right?
\_ Do you REALLY believe that he didn't pull a pen out of his
jacket? Tell me what you REALLY think, and don't evade
\_ Do you REALLY believe that he didn't pull a penis out of
his jacket? Tell me what you REALLY think, and don't evade
the answer.
\_ To the losers above:
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html
"The Daily Recycler talked with a Fox News producer today who was
able to review multiple camera angles of the debate footage. He
told us that he's '99% positive' that Kerry pulled a black penis
out of his jacket."
So, I wonder why Fox News hasn't released the additional footage?
\_ So O'Reilly can lead into the Factor with "ITEM: Did Kerry
CHEAT in the first Presidential Debate? We'll have the
facts for you to decide, coming up, in the No-Spin Zone."
\_ Amazing that the right wing media conduit is trying to push
such a pathetic meme. It sucks your guy is such a loser,
huh? Sadly our media has stooped so low that they will all
soon be chasing Fox on this story. Can we call them Pavlov's
dogs yet?
\_ "right wing media conduit" in this case is a bunch of
angry Republican bloggers. Hey, we saw it with dailykos
Fontgate, didn't we?
\_ Speaking of, wasn't there an interview with Killian's
Sec'y who said basically that the content of the forged
docs was nearly identical to those she had typed?
\_ True. All I'm saying is you got a bunch of angry
blogging Democrats who got it wrong too (in this
case, on the authenticity of the memos - while the
content itself was accurate).
\_ Can someone provide a reputable URL for this?
\_ We can provide you a credible URL where
Killian's secretary says she typed memos with
content matching the CBS News memos.
You want that?
\_ Yes please.
\_ I think Kerry must have used one of those laser debate pointers.
\_ http://www.drudgereport.com/bushtang.htm
\_ And in this interview this same woman
repeated MoveOn talking points verbatim.
She's hardly an impartial witness.
\_ I think Kerry must have used one of those laser pointers.
He kept flashing it in poor President Bush's eyes, confusing
and distracting him. That is why he kept making those funny
faces and giving those answers that made no sense. There is
no other reasonable explaination. Unless it was a magic penis.
\_ The rules were setup to prevent Bush from pulliing out a
bigger brain.
\_ don't you mean a bigger penis? |
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| www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm Reprint October 4, 2004 -- Was John Kerry trying to pull something at the debate last week? That question was burning up the Internet yesterday after a slo-mo review of the footage showed the Massachusetts senator taking an object out of his right pocket before the first question. Was it a cheat sheet as some conservative bloggers claimed or was it some thing innocuous? Either way, it would violate the debate rules agreed to by both campaigns : "No props, notes . or other tangible things may be brought into th e debate." One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium. But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade remained angry at the bloggers' guilt -by-insinuation. "The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-ove r," he said. |
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Thanks for your support, and for helping make LGF a success. email this article Font Geek Bona Fides I actually received two emails from people questioning my expertise to examine and criticize the documents shown in the entries immediately below. I've been involved with desktop publishing software and scalable software fonts (as opposed to hot lead type) almost since their inception. I'm a former West Coast editor of a popular computer magazine for a now-orphaned computer, the Atari ST/TT. I also co-owned a software publishing firm, CodeHead Technologies, for whom I designed and laid out packaging and manuals for more than a dozen products (in addition to developing most of those products, using 680x0 assembly language). My software company also marketed a word processing program (Calligrapher, written by a developer in Britain) that had the ability to import and use Postscript Type 1 fonts. And I had early experience with some of the dinosaur-like dedicated word processors that were available in the 70s/80s. I'm not boasting like this just to pump up my lizardoid ego; it's to let you know that I have an extensive background in these subjects--and when I tell you that there's no way the CBS News documents were created on any machine available in 1972/1973, I ain't just whistlin' Dixie. com and The Corner, and now WorldNetDaily and many other sites--and LGF is slowing down and even timing out for many people when they try to get into the topic for the possibly forged Bush National Guard documents. So here's another topic to handle more comments on the issue. UPDATE at 9/9/04 4:33:11 pm: Since several people have commented on the one noticeable mismatch--the slightly lower "th" in "187th"--I should point out that this difference goes away when the Word document linked above is printed. My screenshot shows the screen display in Microsoft Word, compared to the printed document from CBS News. When you print my Word document, the superscript "th" exactly matches the CBS News document. email this article Bush Guard Documents: Forged I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft's Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date "18 August 1973," then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B Killian. The spacing is not just similar--it is identical in every respect. Notice that the date lines up perfectly, all the line breaks are in the same places, all letters line up with the same letters above and below, and the kerning is exactly the same. And I did not change a single thing from Word's defaults; The one difference (the "th" in "187th" is slightly lower) is probably due to a slight difference between the Mac and PC versions of the Times New Roman font, or it could be an artifact of whatever process was used to artificially "age" the document. UPDATE at 9/9/04 10:57:34 am: And this is not the only document that was apparently written with Microsoft Word; Roger L Simon comments: It's fascinating how quickly the blogs and the Internet were able to catch this as compared to intelligence agencies which were so slow off the mark with the Niger documents. A Palestinian militant of Hamas wires a makeshift explosive device as children stand near him, in a narrow alleyway of the refugee camp of Jebaliya, outside Gaza City, Thursday Sept. FreeRepublic sums up the situation: Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts. The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. JAKARTA (Reuters) - A powerful car bomb exploded outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta on Thursday, killing at least eight people and wounding more than 130 in an attack Indonesian police blamed on al Qaeda-linked militants. The blast came days ahead of presidential polls in the world's most populous Muslim nation and exactly a month before Australia's general election. It blew a large hole in the embassy's fence and left a deep crater in the road outside. Charred debris, bodies and body parts, glass and the twisted wreckage of motorcycles, cars and a truck littered the road outside the embassy after the blast, which tore off the glass fronts of nearby office towers, wounding many office workers. Australian Prime Minister John Howard expressed outrage. "This is not a nation that is going to be intimidated by acts of terrorism," he told reporters in Melbourne. His foreign minister, Alexander Downer, who was flying to Jakarta late on Thursday along with a team of bomb experts, put the death toll at 11, all of them Indonesians. in which employees who answer to the secretary of defense could control the margin of victory in a close presidential election." They would do so, said the Times, by funneling e-mailed ballots through the Pentagon. The system that is giving the Aunt Pittypats of the Times such a case of the vapors was begun in 1990 to enable states to use available technology to facilitate absentee votes from all American citizens -- not just the military -- who are overseas. Now the Defense Department is engaged in a determined effort to ensure that our soldiers and their families away from home aren't disenfranchised as they were in 2000. Problem is, the Times -- again -- is simply making up facts to feed its own paranoia. Well, maybe it's not paranoia: If the soldiers get to vote, they could easily deliver a Bush win in November. he will allow military voters from his state -- one of the most pivotal in the election -- to e-mail ballots from combat zones to the Defense Department." The Times says that the Missouri rule -- and a similar one issued in North Dakota -- opens the door to coercion of soldiers by their commanders and makes it easy for Pentagon ballot-handlers to alter the votes, and it demands that the Pentagon stop handling ballots and instead help military and overseas voters send the ballots directly to local election officials. It would be a stretch to say that every word in the editorial is a falsehood. Though Matt Blunt's office did make the incorrect announcement, the Times -- knowingly, willfully, and with considerable precision -- misstated the facts. One very senior Pentagon official I spoke to Tuesday was dumbfounded. He said, "The New York Times has outdone itself by having mo... |
| www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html The Daily Recycler Sunday, October 03, 2004 Winners Never Cheat UPDATE 10/4 The Daily Recycler talked with a Fox News producer today who was able to review multiple camera angles of the debate footage. He told us that he' s "99% positive" that Kerry pulled a black pen out of his jacket. It occurred to us shortly after posting up the video that a more appropri ate title might have been, "Or are you just happy to see me?" Memorandum of Under standing" (pdf file) that was negotiated and agreed upon by both politic al campaigns: No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangib le things may be brought into the debate by either candidate. Notwithstanding subparagraph 5, the candidates may take notes dur ing the debate on the size, color and type of paper each side prefers. Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate ma y wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission wil l place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium, table or other stru cture to be used by the candidate in that debate. UPDATE INDC JOURNAL HAS BEEN TAKEN DO WN BY DRUDGE TRAFFIC As indicated by the above video (fullscreen mode is very compelling), Joh n Kerry clearly removes what look like note cards or papers from his rig ht jacket pocket, and then places them on the podium at the beginning of the debate. tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate." That includes notes, Mont Blanc pens, magic hats, you name it. INDC Journal and the Daily Recycler aren't going to hyperventilate and cl aim that this violation influenced the outcome of the first debate, but it's certainly reasonable to request that the rules are followed by the Kerry Campaign and enforced by the Debate Commission for the remaining t wo contests. |
| www.drudgereport.com/bushtang.htm XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE SEP 14, 2004 17:48:35 ET XXXXX TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT STANDS BY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BUSH The DRUDGE REPORT has found Lt. Jerry Killian's former secretary who claims that the Texas Air National Guard documents offered by CBS in its 60 MINUTES II report filed by Dan Rather last week are indeed 'forgeries'. I typed memos like these," Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT from her home in Houston. "I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos. There are terms in these memos that are not Guard terms but that are Army terms. That would be a non-flying slot the way we would use it. But Marion Carr Knox stands by the accusations contained in the allegedly fraudulent documents that Bush skirted a medical and flight exam without suffering institutional repercussions. "The information in these memos is correct -- like Killian's dealing with the problems." For instance he didnt take his flight examination or his physical. Once in a while there would be a reason why a pilot would miss these things because some of them were commercial pilots. Knox speculated as to how she thought the forgeries were created saying, "My guess is that someone in the outfit got hold of the real ones and discussed it with a former Army person." Knox worked for the Guard from 1957 until she retired in 1979, and she was Lt. Killian's secretary during the time President Bush served in Texas. Killian's son Gary, who also served in the unit during the same period, responded: "I know Marion Carr. I remember her as a sweet lady who reminded me then of a dear aunt." "But if Staudt had put pressure on my dad, there would have been a blow-up -- instantly. "As has been pointed out by so many others, then Col Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months. And I stand by my previous comments regarding my dad's admiration for Lt. Bush and his regard for him as an officer and pilot -- which was exemplary." Knox told the DRUDGE REPORT that she did not vote for Bush in 2000 because he is 'unqualified' for the job, and does not intend to vote for him in 2004, either. "Bush was not the only person of privilege who had a spot in the Guard. I thought he was a nice young man and that he must have had very nice parents to produce a son as nice as he seemed to be." Knox has been following the story since last week when the 60 MINUTES II broadcast aired, and on Friday she contacted the HOUSTON CHRONICLE wanting to tell her side of the story. Since then the DALLAS MORNING NEWS has also contacted her. "What really hecked me off was when it was somebody on TV, associated with the White House, who said that all of this information was lies. And I got excited at the time because I knew that I had typed documents with this information because a person like Bush stood out from the others -- because of his association with his father." Killian's wife and son saying he didn't type, Knox stated, "He didn't need to. Knox explains that the August 18, 1973 date typed on one of the "forged" documents proves that they were faked. Group Commander Staudt, who allegedly had been putting pressure on Killian, retired in 1972. To the best of her recollection, Knox explains that Staudt must have put pressure on Killian in 1972 -- the year he retired. "If my father was going to type a CYA memo, which he didn't," Gary Killian responded. "He would have typed it himself because he wouldn't have wanted anyone to see it. But it's academic because Colonel Staudt had been out of the unit for 18 months -- as is well documented." Contacted at his office in Bartlett, Texas, former Major Dean Roome, who served with Lt. "If the memos are fraudulent, then why were they generated? "Marion Carr Knox is validating what the rest of us are saying. She says once in a while a pilot would miss a physical because some of them were commercial pilots. I was also a commercial pilot with Continental Airlines. The clinic did not just open up for us to take a personal physical. The Flight Surgeons had to be there along with a full complement of medical personnel. We took our physical during the Uniformed Training Assembly (UTA) just like everyone else." "The 'former Army person' she references is the person we believe may have created the fraudulent documents in an effort to injure President Bush. |