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2004/9/17-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33580 Activity:very high
9/16    Only a week left then everyone can shut up about Bush's records!
        http://csua.org/u/930
        \_ i don't get it, why doesn't kerry just parade around with
           the iraq body counts, the state of the economy, the
           erosion of civil protections, the deliberate plan to
           do away with any social safety net, all kinds of cool
           stuff not involving 30 years ago. - danh
           \_ good unemployment figures, home ownership figures, home wealth
              figures and many pther positive economic trends are not something
              Kerry wants to highlight.  This is all tinfoil and koolaid.
           \_ why do you like Lurch? and hate america?
              \_ How dare you question my patriotism!
                \_ this week's This Modern World is funny - danh
           \_ I was at a rally in Albuquerque, NM with Kerry yesterday.
              What you describe is exactly what Kerry hammered Bush on,
              with the addition of Bush's total lack of action regarding
              the skyrocketing cost of health care, Bush's manifest intention
              of stacking the Supreme Court to reverse Roe vs. Wade, and
              other such real issues.  He made only
              one snipe at Bush's war record:  "Some of us were playing
              hockey while Bush was cheerleading!"  The Press seems to be
              covering the shit you mention, and ignoring what Kerry's
              actually saying. --PeterM
              \_ Just curious, why do you think it is the President's job to do
                 something to give you cheap healthcare?  I want a great house
                 in a good neighborhood with excellent schools and no crime. Is
                 that his responsibility, too?  Why can't we all get that?
                 \_ Good question! Right now we can't all get that because
                    the public school system is an utter mess, we don't have
                    enough competent cops, we have ineffective prevention
                    programs to dissuade youth from becoming thugs, we've
                    made it easier for criminals to get their hands on AKs,
                    and we're hemmorhaging money into Halliburton's coffers.
                    If you think the current Pres. is about raising the
                    national standard of living, you're dreaming.
              \_ Exactly. It is third parties going on about the military
                 record issue (Except for Bush's campaign, where there were
                 connections between the Swift Boat folks and his campaign
                        \_ BZZZT!  Nothing like between Kerry and http://moveon.org
                           and the rest of the 527's doing an end run around
                           McCain/Feingold with foreign money.
                 staff). But whatever. Bush seems fit to take Ohio and
                 Wisconsin in a walk which means he's pretty much got the thing
                 locked up. And my wife and I get to figure out what country
                 we want to move to. -- ulysses
                 \_ If Kerry can't even control his own campaign, how is he
                    fit to be POTUSA.
                    \_ "third parties" != "campaign".  -John
                       \_ http://moveon.org == kerry campaign
                       \_ Like I said, if he can't even get these third parties
                          who are apparently on his own side to get out a
                          consistent message, how is he qualified to deal with
                          a Congress or foreign leaders who won't be?
                          \_ I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt
                             and explain this to you: the 527 law specifically
                             forbids these organizations from coordinating
                             with any campaign.
                             \_ And you *believe* that it really works like
                                that?!
                          \_ It's not "Like you said" at all.  Why would he
                             have any control over people "on his side" but
                             part of his campaign?  Don't drink so much beer
                             before posting to the motd.  -John
                    \_ I wonder if the Bush crew sat around before the
                       primaries and said, "We're in a bad spot.  Even our
                       own party thinks we shouldn't get re-elected.
                       There are a number of guys on the democratic
                       ticket who have a shot at beating us.  Who can we
                       definately defeat?  Hmmm.. Kerry!  Let's make sure
                       he wins the primaries."
                 we want to move to. -- ulysses
                       \_ Probably not because our own party never thought that
                          Bush didn't deserve re-election.
                 \_ Can I get that promise in writing?
                    \_ I'm sorry, did I promise something? -- ulysses
                 \_ Look carefully at the electoral map. Kerry can still
                    pull out a win with Colorado, Arizona and Nevada.
                    It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Plus, half
                    the polls have the race tied, half have Bush up by
                    a dozen. Someone is doing something wrong.
                    \_ I think the polls you are referring to in your last
                       two sentences are the recent national polls. I consider
                       nat'l polls to be almost meaningless given how the pres
                       is elected. As for Arizona and Nevada, I am, um,
                       doubtful, about Kerry taking those states. I don't
                       know why they are having such a hard frickin' time in
                       PA and OH, though.
                       \_ NV is basically tied and has been for months:
                          http://csua.org/u/93b (Reno Gazette)
                          So is CO, AZ is a long shot.
                          OH has always leaned Republican and only goes
                          Democratic in a blowout. PA is another matter.
                          If Kerry loses PA it is going to be almost
                          impossible for him to win. He could still pull
                          it off with FL, but he really needs PA.
                          \_ Kerry is behind in Florida.  That's like saying
                             Bush could win with CA or NY.
                       \_ This is one time us gun nuts can count on Kerry's
                          anti-gun stand to give us OH, NV, and AZ despite
                          what the polls say. This is why Gore lost TN and AR
                          \_ Gore lost TN because not even his own state liked
                             him.  They knew better.
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