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9/13 This is incredible. The press is now fabricating anti-Bush
stories repeatedly. First false "Clinton booing" at a rally,
then the blatantly fake CBS documents, now this.
AP stands by its story about anti-Bush SEAL
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40427
\_ Well, not to meantion that's just a stupid think to print in
the first place.
\_ Your "blatantly fake" claim about the CBS documents isn't any more
true the more you say it. We have no way of knowing, and to claim
you do is foolish. As for the Clinton booing, the reporter made
the report. The recording of the speech doesn't have the booing.
That doesn't mean there weren't people booing away from the mics...
I'm not saying anybody booed, but i'd be surprised if no one did.
Now I'll look for your new outrage on something OTHER than world
net daily.
\_ A cursory glance at the evidence concerning the memos shows
they are false. I can recreate the memos with Microsoft
Word, overlay them, and they match perfectly.
Your media sources have now resorted to fabricating lies in
order to win a political campaign. What a pathetic disgrace.
\_ And you can do the same with a late 60's model IBM Selectric
Typewriter. And CBS has not shown itself in any way as anti-
Bush.
\_ No, it's theorized that you could, with a lot of work,
produce something kinda similar to what Word does
automatically. Getting that that type of letter
spacing out of a seletric involved pulling a
little lever everytime you wanted the letters closer
together. Almost no one ever did this. It also
probably wouldn't be in the Word font either.
And what about the super scripts? They're DEFINATLY
done Word style. And what about the lack of page
indentations from the typewriter head and the
lack of cloth fibers from the Selectric's cloth
ribbon? Have you ever used a typewriter? You don't
seem to know anything about them.
\_ Some of the lines in the Killian memo were centered,
right? I learned to type on an old typewriter, and
it's a pain to center a line. And that's with a fixed
width font. I imagine it's pretty painful trying to
center a proportional-spaced line on a typewriter.
In fact, how *do* you do that? Does the alleged
typewriter have some special lever or switch to do it?
\_ I haven't seen the one with the centered line.
\_ for example, link:csua.org/u/90s
\_ Has anyone done this experiment? Get the correct period
typewriter (I assume there must a functional one some-
where) and try to reproduce the letter? It'd be
instructive to see how much of a task it would be.
\_ There is one thing about the memos that a period
typewriter at all, and that is to make the super-
script 'th' in 4th:
http://tinyurl.com/qqe6 (suntimes.com)
Also as the article says, Times New Roman was not
licensed for use by anyone other than the Times of
London till the 80s so it is not possible for a
60s era typewriter to produce the memo in question.
\_ False. IBM was using it since the 50s.
\_ URL please.
\_ You are right, it is "incredible." Your source has no
credibility, neither do you.
\_ Courier's vanquisher was Times New Roman, designed in
1931 by Stanley Morison, Typographical Advisor to the
Monotype Corporation, with the assistance of draughtsman
Victor Lardent... (Ironically, at the same time
IBM invited Frutiger to adapt Univers for the Selectric
Typewriter, they asked Morison to do the same with Times New Roman.)
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| worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40427 com An Associated Press reporter is standing by his story that describes an anti-Bush veteran as a former Navy SEAL in the face of questions about whether or not the man was in fact a member of the elite unit. In a story reporting the reactions of US military personnel and veterans to allegations that President Bush failed to perform to National Guard standards, Minor quotes several current and former military men. the AP story: Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry. Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years. "He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him." AuthentiSEAL, which researches claims by people posing as Navy SEALs, to see if Majied indeed had been a SEAL. According to his post, McGee received a response from Gregory Platt, an investigator with the group, saying the name Ahmad Majied does not come up on a search of former SEALs. McGee says he became suspicious of the claim when he read that Majied had been in Vietnam for five years. "SEALs deployed to VN for six month tours, so 'five years in Vietnam' seemed highly improbable. I knew lots of multiple tour 'real deal Vietnam SEALs' during my peacetime duty in the teams in the 1980s, and I never heard of this guy. "This only took a couple of minutes time for 'amateurs' on Free Republic to check out. The 'professional' journalists at the AP must have been to busy to do this basic checking." In an interview with WorldNetDaily, however, Minor says he has no reason to disbelieve Majied's story. Minor says Majied didn't give him his previous name, "and I didn't press the matter." The vet has received "nasty calls" since the issue has been publiclized, Minor says, adding, "This is a very peaceful guy. The AP reporter addressed McGee's criticism of spending five months in Vietnam, saying Majied told him he was based in the Philippines and would go to Vietnam for short stints and then return to the islands. Minor spoke to Majied this afternoon to try to verify the issue, and he said the veteran has refused to speak to other media about the issue. He said of the Majieds: "I've met them around town, and they're just nice people. Internet bloggers challenging the claims of mainstream media outlets has become more prevalent recently. It was on the Net where the first questions were raised about National Guard memos CBS News claims show that Bush's former commander, Lt. Jerry B Killian, was resisting pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B "Buck" Staudt, to "sugarcoat" Bush's officer evaluation files. Document experts and amateur sleuths began questioning the memos' authenticity within hours after they were published on the Internet, citing typographical and formatting issues that suggest they were created by a modern-day word processor rather than a Vietnam War-era typewriter. a source CBS used to prove its case is saying the documents are forgeries, network anchor Dan Rather stands by the story he presented on "60 Minutes II" last week. |
| tinyurl.com/qqe6 -> www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn12.html x A few weeks ago, Thomas Oliphant of the Boston Globe was on PBS' ''Newshour'' explaining why the hundreds of swift boat veterans' allegations against John Kerry's conduct in Vietnam was unworthy of his attention. Dan Rather and the elderly gentlemen at ''60 Minutes'' were all atwitter because they'd come into possession of some hitherto undiscovered memos relating to whether George W Bush failed to show up for his physical in the War of 1812. The media had been flogging this dead horse all spring, but these newly ''discovered'' memos had jump-started the old nag just enough to get him on his knees long enough for the media to flog him all over again. Unfortunately for CBS, Dan Rather's hairdresser sucks up so much of the budget that there was nothing left for any fact-checking, so the ''60 Minutes'' crew rushed on air with a damning National Guard memo conveniently called ''CYA'' that Bush's commanding officer had written to himself 32 years ago. Hundreds of living Swiftvets who've signed affidavits and are prepared to testify on camera -- that's way too cold to push; we'd want to fact-check that one thoroughly, till, say, midway through John Kerry's second term. But a handful of memos by one dead guy slipped to us by a Kerry campaign operative -- that meets ''basic standards'' and we gotta get it out there right away. Killian, had the only typewriter in Texas in 1973 using a prototype version of the default letter writing program of Microsoft Word, complete with the tiny little superscript thingy that automatically changes July 4th to July 4th. To do that on most 1973 typewriters, you had to unscrew the keys, grab a hammer and give them a couple of thwacks to make the ''t'' and ''h'' squish up all tiny, and even think it looked a bit wonky. You'd think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ''CYA'' memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times' owner) until the 1980s. Killian is no longer around to confirm his extraordinary Magic Typewriter, but his son denied the stuff was written by his dad, and his widow said her late husband never typed. So, on the one hand, we have hundreds of living veterans with chapter and verse on Kerry's fantasy Christmas in Cambodia, and, on the other hand, we have a guy who's been dead 20 years but is still capable of operating Windows XP. It took the savvy chappies at the Powerline Web site and Charles Johnson of ''Little Green Footballs'' about 20 minutes to spot the eerily 2004 look of the 1972 memo, and various Internet wallahs spent the rest of the day tracking down the country's leading typewriter identification experts. is that even if the memos were authentic nobody would care. Their boy Kerry had a crummy August not because he didn't hammer Bush for being AWOL in the Spanish-American War but because the senator's AWOL in the present war. Big Media are trashing their own reputations in service to a man who can never win. After the 2002 election, I wrote, ''Remind me never to complain about 'liberal media bias' again. But by then various prestige publications had paid a fortune to serialize them. Among them was the Sunday Times of London, owned by Murdoch, who wasn't happy. I have a feeling after November CBS News will be promoting Dan Rather to editor emeritus. Either that, or next week's ''60 Minutes'' -- ''Exclusive! |