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9/7 It is time for MOTD's monthly evolution vs creationism debate:
Serbia strikes blow against evolution,
Creationism put on equal footing with Darwinism.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5932128
\_ here's a challenge to you religious people. which is more
impressively godly, a god who has to construct everything in
the universe individually, or a god who can write down a simple
set of physical laws and then sit back and watch for several
billion years as intelligent life evolves according to His
plan? do you worship brute force?
\_ False dichotomy. The really big problem with this whole
discussion is that many religious people see their beliefs
threatened by agenda driven research, or anti-religion spin put
on science (and there is some truth to that--there are some
atheists who will do anything to spin research). Atheists cringe
at any effort to "prove" god, since in their opinion he obviously
doesn't exist and anyone who disagrees is just deluding himself.
*Real* scientists shouldn't care one way or another unless claims
(pro- or anti-religion) are testable and falsifiable. Then there
are believers who try to show other believers that science is not
a threat to *good* religion and wish both sides would stop
misrepresenting the other.
\_ false dichotomy! agenda-driven science! consensus science!
activist judges! liberal homosexual agenda! w00t!
\_ I would support it if only they would also give equal footing
to the study of witchcraft. No one has disproved witchcraft.
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| msnbc.msn.com/id/5932128 advertisement The move has shocked educators and textbook editors in the formerly communist state, where religion was kept out of education and politics and was only recently allowed to enter the classroom. "(Darwinism) is a theory as dogmatic as the one which says God created the first man," Colic told the daily Glas Javnosti. Colic, an Orthdox Christian, ordered that evolution theory be dropped from this year's biology course for 14- and 15-year-olds in the final grade of primary school. As of next year, both creationism and evolution will be taught, she said. Darwinism and dogma Creationism teaches that a supernatural being created man and the universe. Most scientists regard "creation science" as religious dogma, not empirical science. "Both theories exist in parallel and legitimately in the rest of the world," Colic asserted. "The evolutionist, which says man is descended from the ape, and the one which says God Almighty created man and the entire world." Courts in the United States have quashed repeated attempts by Christian fundamentalists to have the teaching of evolution banned from schools or countered by lessons in creationism. Kansas scrubbed all mention of evolution and Big Bang theory from its curriculum in 1999, but does not ban their teaching. Belgrade University biology lecturer Nikola Tucic called the education minister's ruling a "disaster." We are slowly turning into a theocratic state and in the 21st century we are going back to the Book of Revelations," Tucic told Glas Javnosti, referring to the final section of the Christian Bible. "Where did the minister get the idea that Darwin's theory was dogmatic? There were attempts like this in several US states, but they were rejected. It turns out that our fundamentalists are much more successful," he said. Colic said it was "normal that a minister's personality leaves a mark," adding: "This is my mark, and time will tell if I was right." There would be no censorship of existing textbooks, she said. "That particular lesson (evolution) will stay in the textbook, but will not be taught. At the same time, pupils can choose whether they'll take religious classes or not." Religion was not taught in the school system of communist Yugoslavia. It was introduced to Serbian classrooms after socialist strongman Slobodan Milosevic was toppled in 2000. Lecturer Tucic suspected Colic's order was a move by Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica to bolster his conservative party's flagging political strength by winning church support. "This was a political decision which clearly shows the church is not minding its own business, but is deep into politics," he said. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. |
| www.malleusmaleficarum.org/part_I/mm01_toc.html Question I Whether the Belief that there are such Beings as Witches is so Essential a Part of the Catholic Faith that Obstinacy to maintain the Opposite Opinion manifestly savours of Heresy. Question II If it be in Accordance with the Catholic Faith to maintain that in Order to bring about some Effect of Magic, the Devil must intimately co-operate with the Witch, or whether one without the other, that is to say, the Devil without the Witch, or conversely, could produce such an Effect. Question V What is the Source of the Increase of Works of Witchcraft? Whence comes it that the Practice of Witchcraft hath so notably increased? Question IX Whether Witches may work some Prestidigatory Illusion so that the Male Organ appears to be entirely removed and separate from the Body. Question XI That Witches who are Midwives in Various Ways Kill the Child Conceived in the Womb, and Procure an Abortion; or if they do not this Offer New-born Children to Devils. Question XIII Herein is set forth the Question, concerning the Two Divine Permissions which God justly allows, namely, that the Devil, the Author or all Evil, should Sin, and that our First Parents should Fall, from which Origins the Works of Witches are justly suffered to take place. Question XVIII Here follows the Method of Preaching against and Controverting Five Arguments of Laymen and Lewd Folk, which seem to be Variously Approved, that God does not Allow so Great Power to the Devil and Witches as is involved in the Performance of such Mighty Works of Witchcraft. |