Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 33395
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/05/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
5/25    

2004/9/7 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33395 Activity:nil
9/7     NYT on Kerry's prospects.  http://csua.org/u/8y4
        \_ ob article from a paper that wants Dubya to go down. -liberal
           (even though it's less inaccurate than "Kerry is toast!")
           \_ Have you read the article?
              \_ Yeah, just pointing out that the NY Times does want Dubya out
                 \_ That might matter on the editorial page, but it has
                    no effect on the news reporting.
                    \_ ... if the NY Times didn't let their personal opinions
                       affect their news reporting.  This is the point of
                       contention.  I guess I'm not arguing for or against on
                       that point, but I'll wait and see.
                       \_ I predict that President Bush will win California!
                          \_ LANDSLIDE IS THE STANDARD!
        \_ In every election except one since the 1930's, the Gallup poll
           leader at the start of September has won the election.  Margin
           changes, intermediate lead changes, but in every presidential
           except the 1960 one the September leader ended up winning the
           election.  The only exception is Kennedy 1960, when he was behind
           46% vs 47% and won with 50.1% of the final vote.  This doesn't
           mean that Kerry is doomed, since this is a very unusual election,
           but he clearly has history against him.
           \_ Never before has the convention occured just before Sep 1.
              Did you even read the article???
              \_ Quoth me: "...since this is a very unusual election..."
                 Apparently I have read the article. -pp
                 \_ Your reading comprehension skills are poor then.
                    \_ Methinks your wishful thinking is showing.
        \_ Of course, just because it isn't on the editorial page doesn't mean
           that it doesn't read like an editorial.  I find little news in it.
           And look at the sources for the quotes:
           Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democratic Network
           Mark Penn, a Democratic pollster
           Joe Lockhart, a senior Kerry adviser
           David R. Gergen, a veteran adviser of the Nixon, Ford, Reagan and
             Clinton White Houses.
2025/05/25 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
5/25    

You may also be interested in these entries...
2013/2/10-3/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:54603 Activity:nil
2/10    I like Woz, and I like iWoz, but let me tell ya, no one worships
        him because he has the charisma of an highly functioning
        Autistic person. Meanwhile, everyone worships Jobs because
        he's better looking and does an amazing job promoting himself
        as God. I guess this is not the first time in history. Case in
        point, Caesar, Napolean, GWB, etc. Why is it that people
	...
2012/12/18-2013/1/24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:54559 Activity:nil
12/18   Bush kills. Bushmaster kills.
        \_ Sandy Huricane kills. Sandy Hook kills.
           \_ bitch
	...
2012/3/26-6/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:54347 Activity:nil
3/26    Things I learned from History: Lincoln was photographed with
        killer. Lincoln had 3 male lovers (he was bisexual!).
        Kennedy had an affair with a Nazi spy. Elenore Roosevelt
        was a lesbian!!!  Nerdy looking Ben Franklin was a suspected
        killer and quite a ladies man. WTF???
        \_ Did it mention anything about Washington and the cherry tree?
	...
2011/5/1-7/30 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:54102 Activity:nil
5/1     Osama bin Ladin is dead.
        \_ So is the CSUA.
           \_ Nope, it's actually really active.
              \_ Are there finally girls in the csua?
              \_ Is there a projects page?
              \_ Funneling slaves -> stanford based corps != "active"
	...
2010/11/8-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/Abortion] UID:53998 Activity:nil
11/8    Have you read how Bush says his pro-life stance was influenced
        by his mother keeping one of her miscarriages in a jar, and showing
        it to him?  These are headlines The Onion never dreamed of
	...
2010/11/2-2011/1/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:54001 Activity:nil
11/2    California Uber Alles is such a great song
        \_ Yes, and it was written about Jerry Brown. I was thinking this
           as I cast my vote for Meg Whitman. I am independent, but I
           typically vote Democrat (e.g., I voted for Boxer). However, I
           can't believe we elected this retread.
           \_ You voted for the billionaire that ran HP into the ground
	...
2012/12/5-18 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:54548 Activity:nil
12/5    Romney is right after all -- our military does need more horses and
        bayonets!  http://www.csua.org/u/y3j  Romney for 2012!
        \_ I'd never considered Romney's campaign as an ad for Revolution,
           but I guess that makes as much sense anything else.
        \_ The tax cut removal is ill timed.
        \_ holy crap. This is scary. US troops are most vulnerable as it is
	...
2010/3/29-4/14 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:53763 Activity:nil
3/29    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100329/us_time/08599197588300
        "Arabs, who would seem to have an even stronger race claim than
        Hispanics do, are trumpeting their own write-in campaign because the
        Census by default counts them as white ... Ironically, part of the
        problem is that Arab immigrants a century ago petitioned the Federal
        Government to be categorized as white to avoid discrimination."
	...
2009/5/13-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:52994 Activity:high
5/13    THE DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST PARTY!  Oh man, this is awesome.
        \_ The GOP is Godwining itself. It is an amazing thing to watch.
        \_ GOP is Godwining itself. It is an amazing thing to watch.
           \_ What's actually hilarious is that you believe this is some new
              kind of phenomenon that has never happened before.
                \_ Like when?  Say in the last 60 years?
	...
2009/4/16-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52855 Activity:nil
4/16    The Obama couple had an AGI of $2.6M in 2008 and $4.2M in 2007!
        http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92476/?fp=1
        How much did the Dubyas and the Clintons make?
        \_ Obama wrote two bestselling books right around that time.
           \_ But Obama wasn't that famous before the presidental election
              campaign in 2008.
	...
2008/12/11-16 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:52224 Activity:moderate
12/11   Congress makes me sick. They forked over $700B to the banks with
    less hand-wringing. $15B is chump change. Just do it. They don't
    deserve it, but neither did the banks.
        \_ The $700B was a loan.
           \_ and we're gonna get every penny back, with interest!  or how
              about this:  it would have been much worse if we hadn't loaned
	...
Cache (5632 bytes)
csua.org/u/8y4 -> www.nytimes.com/2004/09/07/politics/campaign/07stretch.html?ex=1252209600&en=694592da0cc428e1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
Mr Bush seems to have hit his political stride at the very moment that Mr Kerry is facing fundamental questions about his candidacy. Yet if history is any guide, the contest is far from settled. For all of Mr Bush's success at his convention in New York last week, the underlying dynamics that have made Republicans view him as an endangered incumbent for much of this year remain very much in place: the nation's unease about its future, the deaths in Iraq and the unsteady economy. Though Mr Kerry, the Democratic challenger, has yet to come up with an overarching theme for his campaign even at this late date - an absence that came into sharp relief after Mr Bush's disciplined convention built on a message of security - he is a politician who has always seemed to run best when he is on the verge of defeat. Even on Labor Day, the traditional start of the general election campaign, when voter opinions are beginning to set, he still has 57 days to make his case. "I don't think either party is where they want to be going into the last 60 days," said Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democratic Network, a group of moderate Democrats. If there is any lesson about this election, conducted in a supercharged atmosphere created by 24-hour news cycles and the chaotic power of the Internet, it is that dynamics and public opinion change fast. Who in December would have predicted that Mr Kerry would defeat Howard Dean for the Democratic presidential nomination or that he would have gone on to raise almost as much money as Mr Bush? Only a month ago, more than a few Democrats and even some Republicans were measuring the curtains for a Kerry White House. Underlying that fleeting expectation were voters' pessimism about the direction the nation was heading and disapproval of Mr Bush's job performance, two measures that have almost always spelled defeat for an incumbent and that do not appear to have changed sharply. The state of play on Labor Day tends to signal what will happen on Election Day. "Typically, it's hard to overturn a Labor Day decision - 75 percent of the time, whoever is ahead on Labor Day stays ahead," said Mark Penn, a Democratic pollster who is not affiliated with Mr Kerry's campaign. At this point in 1996, the incumbent president, Bill Clinton, was comfortably ahead of Bob Dole; In 1992, President Bush's father was struggling against a candidate who recognized, before he did, the hunger for change among the American electorate. But it is proving difficult to measure the state of play accurately this Labor Day, mainly because of the White House decision to schedule the Republican convention a week before the holiday. Polls taken right after a convention offer an inflated sense of a candidate's standing. In this case, getting reliable results may be trickier because much of the polling was done over the Labor Day weekend, when many people are away. Aides in both campaigns said the most accurate measure of the race would not come until sometime this week, when voters return from their Labor Day vacations and memories of the Republican convention start to fade. "I would be very surprised if a week from now, the dynamics don't show us in a very tight race," Joe Lockhart, a senior Kerry adviser, said. "We look at this race as the president having his high-water mark the last night of this convention." Which is not to say that Mr Kerry should be particularly happy about where he is. Three polls taken since the convention show Mr Bush with a lead. While some Democrats dismissed those polls as unreliable, others said they were worried that the polls had registered lasting damage for Mr Kerry because of attacks over the past month on his record as a Vietnam veteran and as a protester against the Vietnam War. Beyond that, the staff changes in his campaign have provided an unwanted distraction for Mr Kerry at the very moment the public is presumably tuning in to this campaign. And, finally, many Democrats argue that Mr Kerry is in a precarious position because even though he has offered proposals intended to draw distinctions with Mr Bush, including a broad health care plan, he has yet to settle on an overarching campaign theme. "There'll be a tendency to say, 'Well, let's wait for the debates,' but if Kerry doesn't gain any momentum, the debates will be too late," said David R Gergen, a veteran adviser of the Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton White Houses. If Mr Bush is in a stronger position after his convention, he still has problems ahead. In the next few weeks, the nation is likely to mark the thousandth death of an American soldier in Iraq, a moment that will probably bring a reappraisal of the war that Mr Bush advocated. He also faces either two or three debates with Mr Kerry. Although he proved himself to be an engaging and personal debater against Al Gore in 2000, this time he will be defending a record that even Republicans say is ripe for attack Republicans and Democrats say the biggest problem for Mr Bush is the sense among Americans that the country is headed in the wrong direction. While history has shown that presidents do not survive electoral storms like that, this is a contest that has proved again and again that the lessons of the past do not necessarily apply. Mr Bush and his allies, acutely aware of that history, have sought to rewrite it with a monthlong campaign intended to convince those voters unhappy with the president and the country's direction that the challenger is an even more objectionable choice. The biggest concern for Mr Kerry's advisers this Labor Day weekend is that Mr Bush might have accomplished that.