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8/31 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/08/31/iraq.funeral.reut/index.html Vietnam vet buries 20-year-old only son who died in Iraq. Last para: "I shouldn't be burying him, he should be burying me," he said in a sometimes tearful interview. "The war is not worth it now. We need to get the hell out of there." \_ Someone's son got killed in the Revolutionary War also. I guess \_ Correct? Heh. Why don't we conflate the Iraq misadventure with WWII and WWI while we're at it? Why not the Civil War as well? Or how about Vietnam? Oops, we can't compare it to that, that wasn't glorious enough. that should never have been fought either. \_ You're not as intelligent or as funny as you think you are. Please die now, compassionless fool. \_ Don't get angry just because I'm correct. \_ No, but I'll be annoyed by your paranoia and your willful lack of reading comprehension. \_ "God Bless Our Gracious Queen ......" \_ You're comparing the Iraq war to the Revolutionary War? \_ Uh, no. \_ Uh, yes. \_ Uh, no. \_ Uh, yes. \_ Stop having sex in the public, guys! \_ You guys are brilliant. \_ Tastes Great! \_ Less Filling! \_ This is where he trots out some old history book where there is a father with a son who died for the Americans, and the father says, "We should never have fought against the Brits! It's not worth it!" \_ Halliburton shareholders think the war was worth it \_ really? http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y \_ Halliburton shareholders don't like investigations. \_ Okay, I'll spell it out for you idiots. OP posts a quote where some guy said we should pull out because his son got killed. I am merely pointing out that one person's personal tragedy isn't a valid reason to make a decision like that. To illustrate why, I apply the exact same reasoning to a different war- one that is generally regarded as being one that should have been fought. Nowhere am I even hinting that Iraq == Revolutionary War. I'm not even implying that I even support the Iraq War. I could have instead said something like, "someone's son died in a car accident yesterday also, I guess we should ban cars." How the fuck did you people even get into Cal? Are the admissions standards that low now? \_ Awww, nobody takes you seriously so naturally we're all dummies. Poor baby. Are you gonna cry now? \_ No, only liberals are crybabies. \_ That's right -- cry, baby, cry. \_ crying with laughter... \_ Your presence here would seem to imply a resounding, "yes!" \_ Right, except that 30,000 americans die per year from cars. I'll take Bush's infinite war on whatever over the present war on pedestrians any day. Right now our war with detroit is more costly in american lives than the Vietnam war was at its peak. \_ US out of Detroit! Why do they hate America so much? \_ actually it's closer to 50K. -tom \_ Don't forget the part about Iraq not having WMDs. (It wasn't part of the quote, but it was assumed you knew that Iraq didn't have WMDs, and it was our main reason for going, and is probably what the father was thinking when he said the war isn't worth it.) Let's have some hypotheticals. Father: My son died to protect America. Saddam had chemical/bio weapons and is working with al Qaeda, and he was close to having nukes. Father: My son died to remove Saddam, to prevent him from torturing his people and thumbing his nose at the world, and to build a democracy in Iraq. We got Saddam, but I have no idea when we can get out of Iraq, and most other countries aren't helping us because we never had the smoking gun on WMDs. I don't think this is worth my son's life. Many were annoyed at your post because you ignore obvious realities to bolster your own conclusion. \_ And my conclusion was what? \_ "Someone's son got killed in the Revolutionary War also. I guess that should never have been fought either." |
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| www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/08/31/iraq.funeral.reut/index.html BOISE, Idaho (Reuters) -- Tom Titus experienced the shock of watching his best friend die in his arms during the Vietnam War in 1971. On Monday, the ex-Army Ranger felt the even greater horror of burying his only son Brandon, 20, killed on August 17 by an explosion while patrolling a Baghdad slum. Dirk Kempthorne, a 1960s rock 'n' roll star, grieving relatives and leather-clad Vietnam War veterans attended the funeral at a modern church before Pfc. Titus, who served as a gunner on a Humvee, became the first person buried in the new Idaho State Veterans Cemetery. Such a scene of grief has played out nearly 1,000 times since the United States invaded Iraq last year. Yet Americans rarely hear much about their fallen soldiers, who typically appear as a name or photo in the growing list of the dead. The story of Brandon Titus is especially poignant because of his father's public anguish and an eloquent note the soldier left behind in the case of his death. "You wanted me to be proud of you," an emotional Tom Titus, wearing his medals on his vest, said in his eulogy. "I just want to say to my child that this is the proudest dad in the whole world." Tom Titus barely made it out of Vietnam alive after being wounded twice. In a 1971 incident, a mortar round in the jungle left the decorated soldier without sight in one eye. It took six months in a hospital to reconstruct his face. Many of his "brothers in arms" wore leather biker jackets to Monday's funeral and more than 100 motorcycles rode in the procession. Paul Revere, lead singer of the 1960s rock band Paul Revere and the Raiders, gave a eulogy and a member of his band sang a song in the service that had Tom Titus sobbing behind his hands. "If you ever think of me, think of all your liberties and recall, some gave it all," sang Omar Martinez. Legacy of service Brandon grew up with his divorced father from age 13 amid a legacy of military service, a family tradition for many generations. "He was a proud man that spoke highly of his father Tom, a veteran himself. Dave Huval, a member of Titus' squad, wrote in a message from Iraq posted to an Internet tribute page. Before going off to war, Brandon left a computer disk with a message entitled, "My Time has Come," to be read only if he did not return from Iraq. "I learned a lot from my dad and I wanted to be like him. I wanted to do something that would truly make him proud of me," he said in that message. In many ways, Titus was a typical American kid, a football player and high school wrestler who shared his dad's passion for motorcycles. Resident of a strongly Republican state, he felt the need to give back to his country. "When I was in high school I was against any type of war or occupation of another country and I was ignorant to think the United States government was a bunch of BS," Brandon Titus wrote. Things hit home when I watched a plane filled with innocent people crash into a building killing them all because of some coward terrorists who live in caves who thought they could divide America by doing this." Brandon's enlistment two years ago upset his father, who exchanged sharp words with both his son and the army recruiter. Amid his grief, the father has now turned against the war. "I shouldn't be burying him, he should be burying me," he said in a sometimes tearful interview. |
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