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2004/8/24 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33097 Activity:very high
8/24    Here is the coverage on how we overthrew Iran's democratic government
        for oil and installed Shah:
        http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3865983
        Please stop whining about how Shah was a legit leader.  And freepers,
        the radio segment highlight the reason why 9/11 happened.  Honestly,
        I see our war with Iraq is actually quite similiar to our involvement
        with Iran in 1953
        \_ he may have been a ruthless dictator, but he was OUR ruthless
           dictator. until carter betrayed him.
           \_ Betrayed? HAHAHAHAHA! Oh you young scamps today!
        \_ 9/11 happened for the same reason as other acts of terrorism going
           back for decades: it's a conflict of cultures.  Western culture
           surpassed Islam hundreds of years ago and never looked back.  They
           still want Spain back!
        \_ It wasn't oil, at least not only.  There was a lot of concern
           that Mossadegh was about to cut a deal with the Soviets for a
           gulf port, however mistaken that turned out to be.  And it's not
           whining, the Shah had a lot of good points compared to the lunatics
           currently in power.  -John
           \_ Dictators on your side are always better than those against.
           \_ Red herring, John.  The point is not the Shah's good points
              in comparison to the Revolution he helped provoke, it's the
              Shah's bad points in comparison to the democratically elected
              government that was overthrown in order to install him.
                \_ Fair enough, I was just trying to elaborate on on the
                   reasons for the overthrow in the first place.  I don't
                   claim that it was legit, but there was agitation on the
                   part of the Iranian communist party in the early 1950s to
                   increase contacts with the USSR at the time.  -John
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Photo Gallery: US Mideast History President Franklin D Roosevelt meets with Saudi King Abdul Aziz in 1945 President Franklin D Roosevelt meets with Saudi King Abdul Aziz in 1945 to discuss oil. Inset of map showing major conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan Inset of map showing major conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan in recent decades. NPR's Mike Shuster continues his six-part series on the turbulent history of Western involvement in the Middle East with the story of America's rising role in the region. President Franklin Roosevelt discussed oil when he met with the Saudi king, Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, just before the close of World War II. Another cornerstone of US policy in the region has been Washington's support for Israel. The United States was among the first nations to recognize Israel in 1948, even as the United Nations voted to partition Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Washington's intervention in Iran -- a US and British-backed coup ousted Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953 -- also added to mistrust of the United States in the Arab world. As nationalism began to sweep through the region, symbolized by the rise of Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt, the United States felt threatened by a movement it saw as aligned with the Soviet Union and communism. By the mid-1960s, the United States had failed to form close relationships with Arab nations beyond Saudi Arabia. The Six-Day War between Israel and the Arab states only toughened Washington's position. The 1967 war left Israel in control of Jerusalem, the West Bank and other Arab territories, much of which it still occupies today. The distrust between Washington and the Arabs hardened by the time President Nixon took office. And that was probably the high point of the Cold War rivalry as seen in the Middle East," says William Quandt, a historian of US policy in the Middle East since World War II. By the end of the 1970s, there was not much good will toward the United States in the Arab world, according to Zachary Lockman, a professor of Middle East history at New York University. America was seen as "being on the side of the forces of the status quo, the forces of conservativism, the forces opposing Arab unity and opposing the kinds of social change, social reform, even social revolution that many Arabs felt was necessary," Lockman says.