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2004/8/20-21 [Finance/Investment] UID:33052 Activity:insanely high
8/20    Hahaha ... Soros, "willing to put [his] money where [his] mouth is"
        http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/1/132047.shtml
        I feel like I'm becoming a freeper! -liberal
        \_ What's wrong with Soros destroying the US economy?  As long as it
           gets Dubya out of office, I'm all for it.
        \_ ...on John Kerry's wang?
        \_ It's funny how Soros was widely praised in the media by both
           liberals and conservatives after he crushed SE asian financial
           systems, ruining and most probably shortening millions of lives.
           \-praised? i thought he was attacked when he and other currency
             traders took advantage of public claims of the bank of england
             and some other central banks to defend a given exchange rate
             [in europe]?
        \_ The idea that $7B could destabalize the American currency markets
        \_ The idea that $7B could destabilize the American currency markets
           is laughable. Daily movement on the currency markets is upwards
           of $1T.
           \_ Money used at the right time in the right way can make things
              happen.  It isn't about the daily movement.  It is about the
              movement at one particular moment in time to create a bandwagon
              effect for the rest of the traders who are forced to follow.  If
              it gets Bush out of office, I'm all for it.  Destroying the
              US economy is a small price to pay.
              \_ Sorry righty troll, not a good enough impersonation of
                 a Bush hater. Try again.
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www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/1/132047.shtml
Soros did not make this comment glibly, telling the Washington Post it would be a real consideration "if someone could guarantee" Bush's defeat. The billionaire's zeal to unseat Bush has caught the notice of top policy-makers in Washington who worry that Soros would not need to risk his whole fortune to cause mischief. Here's the real worry: Could the master currency trader manipulate the financial markets to create a panic, collapsing the stock market or the US dollar on the eve of the November election? The thought of such a scenario dubbed a "Financial October Surprise" has some worried. In his analysis, Timmerman writes that the idea of disrupting consumer confidence to the detriment of the Bush White House first came from Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who now heads Citigroup. Rubin argues in a new study that the Bush tax cuts could eventually lead to a crisis of confidence in the markets and in the dollar, because they are contributing to a sea of federal red ink. That could mean staggering losses to investors, the Rubin study says. to give the Democratic presidential candidate an issue to run on that could propel him into the White House." But, say Wall Streeters, there may be another aspect to Rubin's study. As a man who continually talked the markets up during the Clinton administration, today he could be talking the market down, Timmerman writes. "This market is thin enough that if you made a big move all of a sudden you could move it," Bartlett told the magazine. "At some point, something could happen on its own, and then someone like George Soros could turn a minor blip into something else." Soros' Angst The Hungarian-born Soros' hatred of President Bush is no secret. In his fanatical zeal to unseat Bush, he has bankrolled to the tune of $18 million groups seeking to change US campaign finance laws. He also has provided $15 million in funding to left-wing organizations committed to defeating Bush in November. The Washington Post reports that Soros, who gave away $5 billion over the years to "promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, Africa and Asia," believes defeating Bush "the central focus" of his life is "a matter of life and death." org, a left-wing organization that has, among other things, sponsored an ad contest in which two of the ads submitted compared Bush to Adolf Hitler, according to the Washington Times. Overnight, Soros has become the billion-dollar piggybank for the far left. Soros also hinted that there were Nazi-like tendencies in the Bush White House. "When I hear Bush say 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans," he told the Post. The paper said such rhetoric conjures up memories of Nazi slogans on the walls Der Feind Hort mit ("The enemy is listening"). "My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me," he told the Post. Bush made his "with us or against us" comments during a post-Sept. Soros is so fervent in his opposition to Bush, Timmerman indicates, that investment pros are already advising a cautious watch-and-wait attitude toward the billionaire. Timmerman writes, "Investment adviser and author Don Luskin thinks investors should watch Soros carefully but calmly." Conditions Must Be Right "At least two of three conditions must be met for a speculative attack on the market to succeed," Luskin told the magazine. Timmerman says that when Soros sought to break the British pound with massive currency trading in 1992, "he played into a market that knew the existing exchange rates were unsustainable." Adds Luskin: "So he speculated against the Bank of England, not against the whole damn world. You can influence the market by the very act of betting." In an ideal situation, Luskin says, there should be technical market conditions that force other players "to take action triggered by what you did, independent of wanting to help you." On that day, computer-driven selling of stocks picked up steam as the market fell, which drove prices down even further. At day's end, stock prices had plunged 20 percent (compared with a 23 percent drop on Oct. "Soros believes that if he can force the market down, he will have an effect in the real world," Luskin says. Timmerman says he put two questions to Luskin and to private investment adviser Jim Klima of Klima and Associates in Ellicott City, Md: "Should Soros decide to make a power play on the eve of the November 2004 elections, how would he do it? According to Luskin, Soros could decide to sell massive amounts of stock index future contracts. If this tactic succeeded in driving down the market and keeping it down for a few days, he would make a profit from his early trades. Said Luskin, "With this strategy you only lose at the bottom." However, Soros could lose big when markets turn, as he did in October 1987. May Stick With Currency Markets Klima believes that Soros would stick with currency markets because he is most familiar with them. "By playing the futures market, he could win whether the dollar slides further or whether it recovers," Klima told Insight. However, he could do the most harm to the US economy if he bets the dollar higher, not lower, Klima explained. "A dramatic rise in the price of the dollar would dramatically hurt US exports," said Klima. Writes Timmerman, "These advisers say concerned investors should be watching for increased market volatility, starting in the futures pits, and for futures trading at a discount." However, despite his anti-Bush rhetoric, Soros will likely consider all options before throwing a great deal of money at that market, Timmerman says. "George Soros has gotten his tail burned badly in the US market when he's been a big seller," Luskin said. "If he's wrong, it could cost him several billion dollars." Election Panic If he's correct in his bid, though, even Vermont's wild-card former governor, Howard Dean, could be elected in a panic. And if that happens, writes Timmerman, "his doomsday trading could become a self-fulfilling prophecy as US financial markets collapse." "In the end, it could be a pure financial play, not a political play," says Luskin. There is no evidence that Soros is planning a financial attack on US markets. But with a bankroll of $7 billion and a passionate hatred of George Bush, Soros has many people worried.