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| 2004/8/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33045 Activity:insanely high |
8/20 Here's the $200 bet guy's update:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040820/D84J6PEO0.html
Not trending well in your favor, especially considering the RNC gets
their turn soon and the swift boat vet's message is sinking in.
\_ 200 dollar bet guy? huh?
\_ Yay, negative campaigning without a shred of substance driven by
lots of well organized people and loads of money works! Isn't life
great?
\_ um. Soros gives $2 million and vets only get $100,000?
\_ Playing dumb is fun, but come on. This whole Swift Boat thing
is absolutely classic Karl Rove. Don't any of you remember
2000?
\_ Who cares where it came from? The issue is whether or not
what they're saying is true. Not who organised or funded
them. If they honestly came up with all this on their own
and funded it with their own credit cards and third
mortgages on their homes would you still dismiss them? Yes.
\_ If what we've been seeing for 18 months is what the DNC called
a positive campaign at their convention I can't imagine what a
negative campaign would look like.
\_ 250 guys who knew him and 60 who served directly with him who
say he's full of shit sounds substantial. Maybe Kerry could
sign Form 180 and just bury them with the truth, eh?
\_ Is this your way of admitting that Kerry is ahead?
\_ No one is ahead. The idea is silly. I'm the one that has been
saying for months that polls are silly at this point. 3 debates,
an ignored VP debate, an election and then we'll know. I'm just
tweaking the $200 bet guy's nose for fun and profit.
\_ You must be the "Winning California by a landslide" guy.
\_ Go read the campaign finance laws. The 527s are not allowed
to co-ordinate with the parties. And yeah, you need evidence
of a crime to get the law to act, not just wild accusations.
Having made an ass of yourself, you're out to spread the love
around a little?
\_ I *must* be? Nope, sorry, I think he's deluded. You're
simply as confused as he is. Have a nice day!
\_ Proof that the Republicans have no connection to SMVFT:
\_ Evidence that the Republicans have a connection to SBVFT:
http://csua.org/u/8p7 (Yahoo News)
\_ Duh. All the 527s are very closely connected with one of the
two parties. Campaign finance reform was a joke with a (so far)
$63 million loophole for Kerry and I'm not sure how many $million
loophole for Bush. You don't need evidence to prove any
connection between these bullshit 527s and the 2 parties. It is
naivete of the highest order to assume otherwise.
\_ The law states that the parties cannot co-ordinate with the
527s. You might believe that MoveOn and the DNC are in
cahoots, but there is no evidence of this. This is evidence
that SBVFT and the Republican Party are illegally
co-ordinating.
\_ More bad news for Swiftie Boy:
http://csua.org/u/8p8 (Yahoo news) |
| 5/24 |
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| apnews.myway.com/article/20040820/D84J6PEO0.html Full Image WASHINGTON (AP) - The Democratic Party launched a costly round of ads Friday to buttress John Kerry's credentials to be commander in chief as the White House accused the Massachusetts senator of "losing his cool" over attacks on his war record. "John Kerry is a fighter and he doesn't tolerate lies from others," shot back spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. The unusual late-August maneuvering highlighted the closeness of the race for the White House and came as polls offered the first hint that the questioning of Kerry's medal-winning service in the Vietnam War - allegations that he strongly condemned this week as lies - were taking a political toll. One poll found that more than half the voters questioned had seen or heard of an ad by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth that accuses Kerry of lying about events that earned him five medals in Vietnam a generation ago. The University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey also found that 44 percent of self-described independent voters found the ad very or somewhat believable. Separately, a CBS poll found a sharp drop in Kerry's support among both veterans and a smaller erosion among independents since the end of the Democratic Convention. Kerry's campaign scripted the convention, which ended three weeks ago, to establish him as a battle-tested veteran ready to assume command in an era of terrorism. Polls after the convention indicated he had made considerable progress toward that goal. In a commercial that officials said was filmed on Thursday, the Democratic Party showed retired Air Force General Merrill A McPeak saying he had endorsed Bush four years ago but was backing Kerry now. "Nothing is more important to me than protecting America," says McPeak, a fighter pilot in Vietnam who rose to become Air Force chief of staff during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991. "John Kerry has the strength and common sense we need in a commander in chief," he says in the ad. That message is sharply at odds with the image portrayed in the anti-Kerry ad - the one the Massachusetts senator denounced on Thursday when he said Bush was relying on front groups to "do his dirty work." White House spokesman Scott McClellan said several times that the senator's comments showed he had lost his cool, a suggestion that Bush's rival lacked presidential temperament. "I do think that Senator Kerry losing his cool should not be an excuse for him to lash out at the president with false and baseless attacks," the spokesman told reporters in Crawford, Texas. "We've already said we weren't involved in any way in these ads," he said. Cutter sought to turn the argument over presidential readiness back on the White House. "Mr McClellan needs to understand that John Kerry is not the type of leader who will sit and read 'My Pet Goat' to a group of second graders while America is under attack," she said. Asked about the relationship between Bob Perry, a financial supporter of the anti-Kerry group that paid for the ad, and Karl Rove, Bush's top political adviser, McClellan said, "I mean, they know each other. But, he quickly added, "that still shouldn't be used to draw any connection there, because we have not been involved in this ad whatsoever." McClellan also accused the Kerry campaign of sanctioning the same type of attack ads by outside groups that it is accusing the president of approving. "I mean, where has the Kerry campaign been for the last year while more than $62 million in funding through these shadowy groups have been used to negatively attack the president?" Outside groups funded by Bush's opponents have spent millions on commercials that criticize the president. The ad that drew Kerry's angry response on Thursday aired in only three states at a cost of well under $1 million. It features several Vietnam veterans who accuse Kerry of lying about the circumstances surrounding events for which he won his medals. Kerry received three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star while in Vietnam. Even so, the Annenberg survey said "more than half the country has heard about or seen" the commercial - the result of widespread coverage on cable television and talk radio as well as the Internet. Beliefs about the ad had a lot to do with the partisan inclinations of those questioned, the survey sponsors said. "Seventy percent of those with favorable opinions of Bush find the advertisement somewhat or very believable while 19 percent of those with favorable opinions of Kerry find it believable." Independent voters were nearly split over whether they found the ad believable. The CBS survey said Bush led Kerry by a margin of 55-37 among veterans, compared with a 46-46 tie after the Democratic Convention. Among independents, Kerry held a 44-39 advantage, compared with an edge of 50-33 in an earlier survey. |
| csua.org/u/8p7 -> story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/pl/081201presidentbush&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=1&e=1&a=0&printer= web sites) in a Bush-Cheney campaign office in Gainesville, Fla. |
| csua.org/u/8p8 -> story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20040821/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_dc All Election Coverage Weighing in on what has become the most bitterly divisive issue of the 2004 campaign for the White House, William Rood of the Chicago Tribune said the tales told by Kerry's detractors are untrue. "There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago -- three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969," he wrote in a story that appeared on the newspaper's Web site on Saturday. "One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. Before now, wanting to put memories of war and killing behind him, Rood had refused all requests for interviews on the subject, including from his own newspaper. "But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown." "The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us. "It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there," he added. Increasingly, veterans opposed to Kerry and allied with Bush -- led by a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth -- have tried to undermine Kerry's service record and credibility and the justification for his medals. In the face of a new CBS poll showing Kerry's support among veterans has slipped since the Democratic convention, the Massachusetts senator has launched an aggressive counterattack. web sites) to force the group to withdraw ads challenging his Vietnam service. Bush spent the war in the United States serving in the Texas Air National Guard. Some Democrats have accused Bush of going absent without leave from the guard, citing gaps in his attendance record. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. |