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8/17 I've searched the web for a number of weeks on this topic. I take
back what I wrote earlier, and it does appear Kerry said he would
release all service records, but he has flip-flopped on this. Kerry
has not offered *any* explanation for the flip-flop, and believe me,
I searched. -liberal (stop changing the sig, ok?)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040421-121056-7919r.htm
\_ Nice try. No liberal would be caught dead reading that Moonie rag.
\_ Boston Globe: http://csua.org/u/8mv
I read the above too, but I posted Washington Times because
the article was clearer and had more information. -op
\_ Boston Globe is a conservative paper as well.
\_ The facts in both articles cannot be denied. -op
\_ Globe has a long-standing vendetta against Kerry, just
thought you should know.
\_ http://slate.msn.com/id/2094235
Article saying Globe is left-leaning, but indeed
has it in for Kerry -op
\_ Nothing anyone I don't like says can be true!
\_ It has nothing to do with that. The Globe
dislikes Kerry. They have gone out of their
way to discredit him over the years. A good
comparison would be the Howell Raines led
New York Times and their vendetta against
Bill Clinton.
\_ Does anyone else here remember the good old days when "flip-flops"
were open toed shower shoes?
\_ My Australian associates claim that these are "thongs", all
evidence to the contrary. -John
\_ So what did they think of the "Thong Song?"
\_ The foot-fetishists loved it.
\_ "We are unable to locate the page you requested"
\_ The original URL was correct as posted. Someone fucked it
up by changing a "0" to a "1". Fixed now. -op
\_ Bush in flip-flops, via The Daily Show:
http://csua.org/u/8mw (Real Player)
\_ So was Kerry on secret Cambodia missions with the CIA / SEALs
or not? Yes Kerry needs to fill out a form 180 to release his
records.
\_ He very likely took part in at least one CIA Cambodia mission.
\_ LOL since when? The Kerry camp has 5 different stories.
Was it this mission that was seared in his mind?
\_ Kerry was not in Cambodia on Christmas Day.
He very likely took part in at least one CIA mission.
Now, what is your question?
\_ WTF does mean - 'he very likely took part'. This
guy has repeated the story over 50 times, and in the
Senate at least two times. Now you want to change it.
I say he has serious problems with the truth. You
can't even substantiate he was EVER there, so you make
up more lies. Man am I dealing with 8 year olds here?
\_ The only thing Kerry has changed is the date of
when he was in Cambodia.
Please substantiate how he was never, ever there.
"Man am I dealing with 8 year olds here?"
\_ You guys are sure trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Is the best you've got that Kerry hasn't been totally clear about
his Vietnam missions? That's not exactly a scandal.
With Bush the push to open his records is because there were
serious questions about whether he was a deserter. What question
do you have about Kerry? That he might have messed up a date or
mission description?
\_ OK so did he meet the NVA and Vietcong in Paris twice
or not? Was he at a meeting where the VVAW discussed
assisinating US Senators or not? FBI files say he was.
Why does his entire chain of command and 17 of the 23
officers he served with think he is unfit? Why could
that be, what do they know that you don't?
\_ I don't suppose it could possibly have anything to do with
the fact that the military is in general very conservative
and Kerry has opposed military funding while Bush has spent
lavishly on the military. Nope, it must be some personal
failing they hold a grudge against from 30 years ago.
\_ Someone with a 19 year Senate record who is running entirely
on his 4 months in Vietnam needs to release his entire
record. It isn't a mountain. It isn't a mole hole. It
just is what it is. He needs to fully release his records.
If he wasn't running on his Vietnam record no one would care
about it. He can't hide the record he's running on.
\_ Dude, our current president is a fucking retard monkey.
You care so much about this but you give the
drunk-driving CIA-agent-outing totally-incompetent
rudderless asshole a pass?
\_ Ooh! it's an aaronantibushrant! Tell us more!
\_ And this is worse than Obsessive Compulsive Swift
Boat Troll how?
\_ He got his tax-cut, and he'll be damned if he has to
give it up. Defecit? What me worry?
\_ "Bush is stupid!" is not an answer to why Kerry won't
fully release the records he's relying on as the core
of his campaign. Bush could be dumber than a retarded
monkey, still drunk and coked out, out a CIA agent
twice a day everyday before breakfast and be the
world's biggest asshole, yet none of that would excuse
Kerry from releasing the full record he's running on.
\_ And nothing will apparently stop you from posting
the same mindless drivel over and over and over and
over and over and over and over [... and over(n)
where n is very large ...]. By the way, your
assumption that Kerry is running entirely on his
military service is incorrect and unsupported.
Sorry.
\_ Which drivel is that? I've posted exactly
zero swift boat links. It isn't an assumption,
btw. It is an assertion. There is a difference.
And my assertion is well supported by Kerry's
own speech at the DNC convention. 70+ words on
his 19 years in the Senate vs. 50+ minutes on
his 4 months in Vietnam. The math isn't that
hard on this one. Anyway, this is all beside
the point. Kerry is running on his Vietnam
record "to a great extent" (happy with that
phrasing?) and thus needs to fully release his
records if he wants to score points with them. |
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| www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040421-121056-7919r.htm John Kerry promised to post all of his military records online by today, although his campaign is withholding some relevant documentation. "They will be posted on the Web site beginning later this evening as the campaign completes the process of scanning them in," the campaign said in a terse statement issued late yesterday after two days of criticism over retreating from an earlier promise to release the records. "I've shown them -- they're available for you to come and look at." He then invited people to his campaign headquarters to review them. However, when a Boston Globe reporter showed up Monday, Kerry campaign officials refused to release any records that the Globe had not already reviewed during its research into Mr Kerry's military history. Specifically, the campaign wouldn't release evaluations by his Navy commanding officers and some medical records. That decision drew derision from Republicans, in particular the Bush re-election campaign. "Senator Kerry's record of nondisclosure and his flip-flop on this important issue should concern voters," Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman said yesterday. "The Kerry campaign has waffled on the release and claim the need for what they now say is due diligence," Mr Mehlman said. "Well, due diligence is different than the standard he set on Sunday, different than the standard he set in 1996, and we believe that Senator Kerry should make the records available ... and they should include military and medical records as well." Added Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie: "Guess it depends on what your definition of the word 'all' is. But it's not clear whether the records that the Kerry campaign is posting on its Web site will answer all the questions that have surfaced about the first of his three Purple Hearts earned during his four months of fighting. Although none of the injuries that Mr Kerry sustained during his tenure in Vietnam caused him to miss more than a couple of days of service, his first Purple Heart has come under special scrutiny. Mr Kerry's commanding officer in Vietnam, Grant Hibbard, recently questioned the severity of the wound that led to Mr Kerry's Purple Heart, saying the injury was so minor that it could have resulted from a fingernail scratch and questioning whether Mr Kerry's crew had even come under enemy fire that day. The Kerry campaign emerged from its bunker yesterday to give the Associated Press 13 pages of records that already had been distributed and documented two of Mr Kerry's Purple Hearts, his Silver Star and his Bronze Star. The documents include declassified reports that explain Mr Kerry's wounds that led to two of his Purple Hearts. They show Mr Kerry had shrapnel wounds in his left thigh after his boat came under intense fire on Feb. The documents do not include, however, a report explaining how Mr Kerry received the wounds that led to his first Purple Heart. To back up Mr Kerry's injury claims leading to that award, campaign spokesman Michael Meehan showed the Associated Press at the Kerry campaign headquarters a "Sick Call Treatment Record" dated Dec. That document, which the campaign would not release or allow to be copied, said: "Shrapnel in left arm above elbow. It was Mr Kerry's third Purple Heart that allowed him to transfer out of Vietnam to a desk job in New York. The records that will be posted on the campaign's Web site are 150 pages of Navy records that Mr Meehan said had been requested just last month. The document dump is similar to one by Mr Bush earlier this year after he faced intense scrutiny over his service in the Texas Air National Guard. Among those who were notably silent about Mr Bush's records was Mr Kerry, who had ridiculed Mr Bush about various aspects of his military service but never demanded that he release his military records. "It's not up to me to talk about them or to question them at this point," Mr Kerry told reporters when asked about the accusations over Mr Bush's records. "But I think it's up to the president and the military to answer those questions." But the Bush campaign's demand that Mr Kerry release his military records was an about-face from their initial stance on Mr Bush's records. Christine Iverson, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said the public deserves to see Mr Kerry's records, especially because he promised to reveal them. "Kerry has criticized the president on a number of issues, including his military record," Miss Iverson said. "He has an obligation to make good on his promises and come clean on his military records." When questions arose earlier this year about Mr Bush's National Guard duty during the Vietnam War, Bush supporters deflected criticism by saying that Democrats were concerned about something that happened "30 years ago" and that what was most important was Mr Bush's performance in office as commander in chief. Miss Iverson said the issue is now a question of consistency and honesty, not necessarily a need to reciprocate a close examination of the two men's service during the Vietnam War. |
| csua.org/u/8mv -> www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/04/20/kerry_refuses_to_release_more_records?mode=PF The Boston Globe Kerry refuses to release more records By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 20, 2004 WASHINGTON -- The day after John F Kerry said he would make all of his military records available for inspection at his campaign headquarters, a spokesman said the senator would not release any new documents, leaving undisclosed many of Kerry's evaluations by his Navy commanding officers, some medical records, and possibly other material. Kerry, in an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press," was asked whether he would follow President Bush's example and release all of his military records. "I've shown them -- they're available for you to come and look at." He added that "people can come and see them at headquarters." But when a reporter showed up yesterday morning to review the documents, the campaign staff declined, saying all requests must go through the press spokesman, Michael Meehan. Late yesterday, Meehan said the only records available would be those already released to this newspaper. "He is releasing all military records he has released to The Boston Globe," Meehan said in a telephone interview. In a follow-up e-mail, Meehan said it was those particular records to which Kerry was referring on "Meet the Press." Kerry has not released the formal evaluations from superior officers, although his campaign has given a letter from a commanding officer that recommended him for service aboard Navy patrol boats and also reports for the Silver and Bronze stars that laud Kerry's actions in combat. By comparison, retired Army General Wesley K Clark released hundreds of pages of his records during the Democratic primary campaign, including all evaluations of him by his superiors. Bush earlier this year released 300 pages of documents after media outlets raised new questions about the extent of his National Guard service. White House communications director Dan Bartlett, in a telephone interview, contrasted Bush's action with that of Kerry's. "The president made a pledge before the American people, and he made his complete file available to the media and the public," Bartlett said. "They were able to review all of his medical records, and we fully released the remainder of his military files, including evaluations and performance sheets as well as days served. The president lived up to his commitment he made to the public, and we should expect the same from his opponent." The question about Kerry's military records came up when Tim Russert, the moderator of "Meet The Press," asked the Massachusetts senator about a story in the Globe last week that quoted Kerry's former commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard, as saying that he raised questions about Kerry's first Purple Heart. Hibbard said that he had heard from others in the office that there were questions about whether Kerry and his crew took enemy fire, and Hibbard observed that Kerry's wound was minor, resembling a fingernail scrape. Purple Heart regulations say nothing about the severity of the wound. The campaign earlier this year showed the Globe a record verifying that Kerry was treated for the wound and that shrapnel was removed. That document was cited in last week's story, which was based on the forthcoming book, "John F Kerry: The Complete Biography," written by a team of Globe reporters. Meehan said yesterday that the campaign would show that document to what he called "legitimate" news organizations. He said other records previously shared with the Globe -- including documents describing Kerry's actions when he was awarded the Silver and Bronze stars -- would be shared with other reporters. Asked whether Kerry would release his evaluations, as Clark did during the primaries, Meehan responded: "We don't have Wesley Clark's evaluations." Asked directly whether Kerry would release all of his own evaluations, Meehan repeated that the campaign would release only the records already made available. Meehan similarly said no new records would be released when asked if the campaign would make public other medical records besides the one related to the first Purple Heart. |
| slate.msn.com/id/2094235 "The advertising, the speeches in Iowa refashioned John Kerry in a--as a much more authentic person. And now the question is, as he goes back to New Hampshire, a neighboring state of Massachusetts, do the people of New Hampshire, who have been often affected by the coverage from across the border, are they going to see John Kerry less as a patrician kind of elitist liberal and more as the Vietnam war hero who's a working-class tribune?" Jeff Greenfield on John Kerry's Iowa caucus victory, Jan. It's counterintuitive that John Kerry should expect more hostile press in Massachusetts, where repeatedly he has won re-election, than in the corn fields of Iowa. The Boston Globe, which sets the tone for political coverage in Massachusetts and much of New England, should logically cheer on its hometown boy as he reaches for the big brass ring. Ideologically, the Globe and Kerry occupy roughly the same left-of-center niche, and through three Senate elections the Globe has never failed to endorse him. And as decades of adoring Kennedy coverage have demonstrated, the Globe doesn't blush at playing the "homer" (journalese for a reporter who roots openly for local sports teams, institutions, and civic leaders). Kerry really does get unfavorable coverage in the Globe. The paper has exposed relentlessly, and mocked frequently, Kerry's least attractive character traits. Granting that the news pages almost always follow scrupulously the profession's strict guidelines for objective reporting--and that opinions and attitudes inside a newsroom are never entirely uniform--it is nonetheless the case that, broadly speaking, the Boston Globe has it in for John Kerry. Chatterbox cannot provide scientific proof that the Globe dislikes the junior senator of Massachusetts. He freely admits that his is an impression based on occasional perusal of the newspaper, rather than a counting of favorable versus unfavorable stories. called the Globe coverage "distorted, insignificant, irrelevant and vindictive." But most of the Globe-ies and ex-Globe-ies Chatterbox interviewed for this story (mostly on background) think so, too. This group doesn't think the Globe's coverage is "distorted, insignificant, irrelevant and vindictive," but it does recognize that the Globe gives Kerry a much rougher time than, say, the Des Moines Register. The instances of Kerry-bashing at the Globe are too numerous to cite here, but let's review some highlights: * In March 1989, reporter John Robinson mocked the newly divorced Kerry as "the Senate's Romeo," and wrote that Kerry "reportedly courted" the actress Morgan Fairchild "on the QT while dating another woman." nailed Kerry for falsely claiming that he'd been endorsed by John C Land III, the Democratic leader in South Carolina's State Senate. As these examples demonstrate, the Globe's swipes at Kerry are sometimes cheap shots or outright wrong, and sometimes dead-on. By Chatterbox's rough estimate, at least three-quarters of Kerry's Globe problem is attributable to his own behavior. "He's a stiff and a phony," Globe columnist Alex Beam told Chatterbox. The rap against Kerry--that he's a snob, that he's an opportunist, that he approaches facts with a Clintonesque slipperiness--is grounded in persuasive evidence. Even Martin F Nolan, a former editorial page editor at the Globe who contends the rap against Kerry is not true, concedes that it was true before Kerry remarried and endured a tough 1996 re-election race against Bill Weld. "He would shake your hand and look over your shoulder to see who's more interesting," Nolan told Chatterbox. The Globe is hardly the only Boston media outlet to harp on these themes; the Boston Herald, a conservative tabloid, is less influential but much meaner. elitist and infantile mumbo-jumbo after assuming elective office. Still, some of Kerry's Globe problem may be a function less of his own foibles than of the Globe's particular culture and circumstances. Several Globe-ies and ex-Globe-ies told Chatterbox that more negative stuff about Kerry appears in the Globe than in the New York Times or the Washington Post for the simple reason that Kerry gets more coverage locally, period. The Globe doesn't want to get scooped on big Kerry stories, and the biggest political stories are almost always unflattering. In 1988, the Globe covered the Massachusetts governor's presidential bid very favorably; "They've been trying to live it down ever since," says Dan Kennedy, media critic for the Boston Phoenix. Bashing presidential candidate John Kerry accomplishes that. Another contributor to Kerry's Globe woes may be the paper's longstanding oversupply of columnists. More columnists very likely means more snarky comments about local politicians. An aggravating factor is that many of the Globe's columnists have a blue-collar background (or affect one). Finally, Kerry may be the victim of the Globe's lapsed provincialism. An old joke used to have it that if New York were to suffer nuclear annihilation, the headline in the Globe would be "Hub Man Killed in Atom Blast." Visitors to Boston, cosmopolitan city of fine universities and museums, would marvel at the hometown sentimentality of its pre-eminent newspaper. Even after most of the Kennedy family moved away, the Globe remained a shameless cheerleader for Camelot and its heirs. That all began to change in the 1980s, when the newspaper finally established permanent bureaus abroad and in other United States cities beyond Washington, DC A few years earlier, the makeup of the newsroom had started to shift from get-me-rewrite working stiffs raised in Boston's Irish Catholic neighborhoods to Ivy League-educated men and women from all over the country. As a result of all these changes, the Globe came to think of itself less as a local newspaper and more as a competitor with national newspapers like the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and USA Today (even though its distribution remained local). Consequently, the Globe evolved away from the idea that local elites commanded special deference. The change was especially dramatic in the paper's coverage of the Kennedys. It's a question the paper would never have dared raise about a Kennedy two decades earlier. In this new environment, the Globe feels freer to ask (in effect), "Is John Kerry really an asshole?" endorsed Kerry for the New Hampshire primary this morning. Characteristically, the editorial notes that while the Globe supports Kerry, he gets on its nerves: "Kerry has inspired, impressed, and sometimes infuriated us since he first became the top assistant in the Middlesex district attorney's office in 1977," the Globe writes. The gist is that the Globe's coverage of Kerry isn't nearly as mean as that of columnist Howie Carr in the Herald and on WRKO radio; But none of these outlets has anywhere near the influence on New Hampshire voters as the Globe. Phoenix just delivered post-Iowa endorsements for Kerry in New Hampshire. 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