8/17  Question for soda ilyases regarding envrionmental protection.
      The rationale, as I understand it, against envrionmental protection
      goes as follows: "it is not fair that some nameless, faceless
      government agency can regulate what people can and can not do on
      property they own." Assume I agree with this. Let's consider a
      related kind of property. Some people own cats. In some sense, this
      is property just like land. Would you support people's right to
      burn their cats alive?
      \_ Yeah, fresh cat is always best prepared when the cat is broiled
         alive. Where have you been?
      \_ Mmmm...Ilya satire is an untapped goldmine!
         \_ Satire requires more effort than this.
            \_ Well, I said it was _untapped_.  I like the idea more than the
               above attempt.
          \_ Since people act as a colony much like ants, and since ants have
             the right to eat any food the colony deems important, is it not
             logical that humans may eat their children? -mock-ilyas
             \_ Yeah, it's easier to mock than it is to respond intelligently.
                \_ No.  Arguing with ilyas approaches a limit at infinity
                   of uselessness extremely quickly.
                   \_ Yeah, and a lot more fun than responding to stupid
                      questions, too.
          \_ Will no one else help mock?
          \_ Actually, yeah.  I don't give a crap if people want to light
             their own cats on fire.  -motd conservitive
             \_ So it OK with you if I burn your cat and then pay you its
                fair-market value?
                \_ No, you can only do that if you're the government.
                   \_ I can drop a ton of bricks on your car and pay you fair
                      market value for it.  Why can't I do the same to your cat?
                \_ No.  A cat is not *owned* like a car or a house.  And no,
                   you don't have the right to destroy other's property and
                   simply replace it with FMV.  Property rights are a
                   fundamental part of western society that the alleged motd
                   conservative above fails to understand.  --real conservative