8/19    So when can Google be shorted? Is that possible already? What
        about options?
        \_ As soon as it starts trading.  You can't short or option it when
           there's no price.
           \_ I thought the SEC imposes a waiting period.
        \_ Why do you think Google should be shorted?  -tom
           \_ Very high P/E ratio, uncertain prospects for growth, and a lot
              of privately-held stock remaining to be sold. -!op
           \_ They have been trying their best to diversify, but YHOO is a
              veteran at this.  At or below YHOO within 6 months. -!op
              \_ In what way is GOOG above YHOO now?  -tom
                 \_ share price, buzz, YHOO is time-tested
                    \_ which is completely meaningless.  -tom
                       \_ to the knowledgable investor, which would be great
                          in a market driven by said investors.
                          \_ Here's some news for you: people who don't know
                             the difference between share price and market
                             cap are not the ones driving the market.  -tom
                             \_ is this how it should be, how it is, or
                                somewhere in between?
                                \_ Ask BRKA.  -tom
                                   \_ don't ask an exception to the rule for
                                      objective advice.  In any case, opening
                                      price is a big deal for IPOs.  Otherwise
                                      there wouldn't be so many articles
                                      in major publications written about it.
                                      Follow your own axiom 1.  I even feel
                                      stupid writing GOOG goes down because
                                      it wants to match YHOO, but I can't
                                      help but feel it will end up being true.
                                      \_ You feel stupid because it's a stupid
                                         thing to say.  You want to bet on
                                         GOOG vs. YHOO?  -tom
                                         \_ No, for personal reasons, I won't
                                            bet in this specific instance.
                                            (But I would still put money
                                            on YHOO vs. GOOG.  And while I
                                            agree it *feels* like a "stupid
                                            thing to say", I still say it
                                            will probably end up being true.)
                                   \_ Okay, okay, you got me.  P/E between
                                      YHOO and GOOG are similar.  I thought
                                      they were different.  I am lame.
                                      Revised, it doesn't make sense if
                                      GOOG drops below YHOO in share price --
                                      it could happen, but only if investors
                                      are dumb *and* GOOD really messes it up.
                                      \_ Google treats options as an
                                         expense and books them as such.
                                         Yahoo does not. Want to run your
                                         numbers again, grasshopper?
                                         \_ Hey, I have no credibility now,
                                            stop bothering me.  Go bother tom.
                                         \_ Short YHOO, too. They are both
                                            overvalued.
                                            \_ according to what metrics?
        \_ So forth and speculate.
        \_ This doesn't answer your q, but GOOG peaked a couple hours ago ...
           \_ A long slow peak at 104 and now settling around 100...
              \_ I say $80 within a week!  $30 within six months!
                 Rationale? GOOG wants to be at or below YHOO in price per shr.
                 GOOG owners want GOOG to go up from $100, of course.
                 \_ Care to put your money where your mouth is?
                    \_ So when can Google be shorted?  Is it possible already?
                       \_ why don't you just try it?  I personally lack the
                          mindset for shorting.  All the shorts I picked
                          eventually turned out to be right (eg. shorted
                          PMCS at above 20), but I always gave up too early.
        \_ You've got 30 (calendar) days to wait. Right now, I suspect that
           that the extra 20% of stocks that were held back from the IPO are
           going to slowly start flooding the market dropping the price.