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| 2004/8/11 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:32844 Activity:nil 84%like:32820 |
8/11 Al Qaeda plans to assassinate a major western leader when Osama gives
the go-ahead. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040811-123531-3824r.htm
I'll bet anything they're going after Kerry. If I was bin Laden, the
\- "we had to incarcerate the candidate to save him"
last person in the world I'd want as President of the US would be a
war hero who promised to fight a more 'sensitive war on terror'. Run,
John! Run!
Hey, this sounds familiar:
"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy
and to undermine the U.S. election," the official said. "The view of
al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' "
\_ "The one unrelaceable assett for al Quaeda is US FOreign policy",
if al Qaueda is for "anyone but bush", they are dumber than I
thought. Iraq was a christmas present for Osama.
\_ Sure was. Why go for the Americans near Mecca when we can
tryfor the U.S. itself ! Committing terrorism is so much
more effective thousands of miles away from America.
\_ It's pretty obvious Al Qaeda is dumb. -- ilyas
\_ What about the scores of pages describing potential targets
written in perfect English found in the latest arrest?
(e.g., can't get a truck in the garage, drive a limo instead)
\_ You are missing the forest for the trees. There's no doubt
Al Qaeda is smart enough to organize 911, etc.
Nevertheless, something about the way they are going about
their business that strikes me as fundamentally dumb.
-- ilyas
\_ Targeting a high-profile individual for assassination,
when there are so many out there that you can't always
protect, is dumb?
Please identify what is fundamentally dumb.
\_ Any extremist organization is fundementally dumb.
If they were smart they wouldn't be extremist.
\_ Ok. Say they succeed. They assassinate Bush.
Or set off a dirty nuke in Los Angeles or something.
What will this get them? America already isn't very
happy with the Arab world, and even Arab Americans.
Do you realize what will happen? We will most likely:
(a) institute the draft (probably won't be necessary
with the volume of volunteers)
(b) convert to war footing a la WWII
(c) absolutely SQUISH the entire Middle East, and
possibly institute a long term occupation.
Is this what Al Qaeda is trying to accomplish?
Because that's what it's going to get -- a really
pissed off US in their backyard for 20, 30, 50 years.
I think people underestimate the US. The US has an
itchy trigger finger kind of frontier culture, to
this day. The US also has the industrial and
scientific resources to basically impose their will
on most of the world, and if the US perceives itself
to be in genuine danger, woe be to everyone else.
-- ilyas
\_ That's all very nice and melodramatic but an
assassination cannot produce such a reaction.
There (probably) would not be any link to any
national entity. Go after the Saudis? America
is very cozy with the Saudis and will not just
"go and squish" them based on an Al Qaeda attack.
\_ Sure, but eventually, Al Qaeda will do enough
damage where the US feels genuinely threatened.
What then? How do they hope to win? It's
completely stupid. You don't want to fight
the US. -- ilyas
\_ How do you target al Qaeda? We already
took out Afghanistan, and are making sure
Iran doesn't get nukes.
\_ You do understand that al Qaeda wants a war of the
U.S. vs. the Arab world, right? You do understand
that they understand that the U.S. has a
superior military capability, and will win in any
conventional conflict between nations? So why
then, do they continue? I don't think it's
because "Al Qaeda is dumb".
\_ I think it is. If it truly becomes a
free-for-all between US and Arabs, US nukes the
Arabs. Game over. Al Qaeda is trying to
provoke the power that can take on all of the
rest of the world put together, most likely.
They are irrational religious fanatics obsessed
with 'holy war.' If their wildest dreams come
true, this 'holy war' will only get them, and
likely most other (innocent) Arabs killed.
Al Qaeda is dumb. -- ilyas
\_ Well, you overwrote my post, but let's say
al Qaeda assassinates Bush. Just how does
the U.S. decide "the Arab world" is the
culprit, and then justify: "SQUISH the
entire Middle East".
\_ I always love it when people accuse me
of overwriting their posts. Or writing
stuff on the motd when I am really
asleep. You must have spyware in my
head or something. As for the US,
a blow up of two buildings resulting in
the US invading 2 countries. If serious
attacks continue, the invasions continue.
The 'Arab World' is a hotbed of religious
fundamentalism which results in things
like Al Qaeda. The US can reasonably
conclude that one way to fight
fundamentalism is take over the Middle
East and institute reforms that way,
rather than wait for history. -- ilyas
\_ Dude, ilyas, you just overwrote my
post again. How are you editing
the motd?
\_ I also peed in your sink and slept
with yermom. -- ilyas
\_ I ask you again, how are you
editing the motd? I notice
you were using vi a second ago,
but I have a suspicion you were
using something else earlier
today. I mean, c'mon, I was
editing this thread, posted
a comment, and 30 seconds later
it's gone and in its place
is your post. This happened
twice in this very thread.
\_ I always use vi from soda.
I think your post got
overwritten because you
simply were editing during a
busy time. Mine get
overwritten too, for the
same reason. Blaming the
guy you are immediately
talking to is stupid -- lots
of conversations are happening
at the same time. -- ilyas
\_ So I have your word of
honor that you are very
certain you did not
overwrite this thread
today while using vi?
vi should print warnings;
what command are you
using to save? You aren't
using :w! I hope.
\_ I use :w. Vi gives
warnings. -- ilyas
\_ hm, I guess I don't
have your word yet.
\_ No you don't. But
feel free to blame
me anyways.
-- ilyas
\_ US can nuke the entire Arab world,
but occupying it is beyond US's
ability. It would bleed the US
to death financially. But yes,
I agree with you than Islamic
fundamentalism is a dead end. But
those people think they don't have
another choice, or rather, the
only other choice seems to be
the corrupt crony regimes like
Saudi Arabia, which they want to
overthrow.
\_ No way that 4% of the world's population can enforce
its will on the other 96%. Especially when some of
that 96% is armed with nukes.
\_ Yep. Check out this translation of an interview with Osama's
former bodyguard in the London Arabic paper Al-Quds Al-Arabi
http://cryptome.org/alqaeda-plans.htm
\_ But the problem is that Osama is not Christian.
\_ For the tinfoil hat crowd, ponder this: Bush assassinates Kerry
before the election and pins the blame on bin Laden.
\_ Nonono ... that would be Cheney orchestrating the plot.
Bush wouldn't have a clue. |
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| cryptome.org/alqaeda-plans.htm FBIS is the Foreign Broadcast Information Service of the CIA. Bin Ladin's Former 'Bodyguard' Interviewed on Al-Qa'ida Strategies London Al-Quds al-Arabi in Arabic 03 Aug 04 p4 AL-QUDS AL-'ARABI Tuesday, August 3, 2004 Journal Code: 1430 Language: ENGLISH Record Type: FULLTEXT Document Type: Daily Report; News Word Count: 6,115 Al-Quds Al-Arabi headline: "Abu-Jandal, Former Personal Bodyguard of Usama Bin Ladin and Leading Al-Qa'ida Element in Yemen Reveals to Al-Quds Al-Arabi his Intercession in Bin Ladin's Marriage to a Yemeni Girl. He Used to Meet With Al-Zarqawi, but Says he is not a Leader. Saudi Bombings Are the Natural Outcome of the Regim's Policy and They Will Continue" (FBIS Translated Text) After a long period of refusal to talk with any of the local and international news media, he was finally persuaded to give a chance to Al-Quds al-Arabi to conduct a detailed interview with him on Al-Qa'ida Organization activities in Yemen and the world. He is the former bodyguard of Al-Qa'ida leader Usama Bin Ladin. He is known by the nickname "Abu-Jandal" but his real name is Nasir Ahmad Nasir al-Bahri. He said that he was born in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, in 1973. He completed his secondary school education in Saudi Arabia and he then specialized in business administration. He is currently engaged in import-export trade in Yemen. His brother-in-law, Salim Hamdan, is imprisoned at the US Guantanamo Base in Cuba. The security and military sense that he trained on while in Al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan still dominates him. He had a key role in the organization and was trusted by Usama Bin Ladin. However, he only revealed a little of the information that he has in this interview, in which we tried to literally drag him to a number of issues and managed to come out with a great deal of information. The following is text of the interview with Abu-Jandal: (Al-Hammadi) When were you imprisoned in Yemen and how long did you stay in prison? I stayed in prison for one year and 10 months, of which 13 months were spent in solitary confinement. And, this is a testimony I make in favor of the Yemeni Government. It was a very calm investigation under the supervision of the Yemeni Government. But, the truth is I did not have any role in any of these incidents. One question said: As far as we are concerned, 80 percent of what you said is true, but does Al-Qa'ida have chemical plants and nuclear weapons? I recall that my answer to them was that Usama Bin Ladin has a weapon that is far superior to all the US weapons. I told them: "Among the believers are men, who have been true to their covenant to God: of them some have completed their vow (to the extreme), and some (still) wait: But they have never changed (their determination) in the least." I thank him for pardoning me and the group of youths, although there were no charges against us for participating in any activity in the country. It was a kind presidential gesture that had a very good effect on us and our families and people. Most of the youths belonging to Al-Qa'ida and other organizations in Yemen had no activity inside the country. Many of them did not like to operate in Yemen, being their country that must be protected. After my return from Tajikistan we went on what we called the journey to the north. After our return from Bosnia and Somalia, we moved to Tajikistan, but we could not withstand the conditions; I met with Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin on 27 Sha'ban 1417 (end of 1996), and I joined Al-Qa'ida immediately after this meeting. I left it the second time to finalize the arrangements for Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin's marriage in Yemen. My third and last departure from Afghanistan was before the Cole operation by about two and a half months (the middle of year 2000). The plans were for the bride to travel to Afghanistan accompanied by her immediate relatives. But, due to some delay in the arrangements I had to return to Afghanistan before them. He did not have any people from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. Our group of 17 persons was the first batch to come from the Arabian Peninsula; This was why they called us founders of the organization. Our duties included preaching for the ideology and the cause, rousing the people, and getting prepared to carry out martyrdom operations. Regarding my duties in the organization, I had two duties. I then moved to the duty of being in charge of the guesthouse or guesthouses in Kabul and Kandahar. What do you know about the bombing of this destroyer, and how was it arranged? This operation was preceded by another one that was supposed to have taken place a year earlier but it failed due to certain natural factors. But, they succeeded in this operation, although not completely. From what I heard, the plan was to attack it in international waters so that no state in the region would assume the consequences of this operation. But, it was God's wish to happen this way and so it was attacked in Yemeni territorial waters. The information on it was collected by committees, and the implementers of this operation were two persons only. As to the reports that say that it was carried out by the Mosad, this is a myth and a means to frustrate Muslims by saying that they are incapable of anything. Those who carried out the operation, may God rest their souls in peace, are well known among our brother mujahidin. The second is our brother Ibrahim al-Thawr from Sanaa who was also born at Al-Ta'if. The decision was made centrally, but the method of attack and execution was the duty of field commanders. For example, the persons who were in Yemen like Abd-al-Rahim al-Nashiri and others took part in this operation. They planned for it and God granted them success in its fulfillment after a long watch. As I said, it was preceded by another operation a year earlier, which was called Cole operation one, but it did not succeed due to natural elements. The planning for Cole operation was carried out by the people themselves. The idea was formed and the target was set and then it was referred to a higher military control committee in Al-Qa'ida called Military Affairs Committee, which does not plan, but gives the green light, the support, and the funds for these operations. But, the planning, execution, and method of attack were all undertaken by field commanders in the operations field. They are, so to say, scapegoats, because they really didn't know anything. They may have known about the existence of an operation, but they did not know its details, type, method, or hour of execution. The first is to break US prestige in the sea and raise the morale of the Islamic nation by saying that its sons can deal blows to the enemies of the nation wherever they may be on the land, in the sea, or in the air. It is to say that we can face the enemies even with individual capabilities. Take the Islamic World, which consists of about 71 states. It cannot say no to the United States, but we individuals can do so. They proved to the Islamic World Muslim ability to break US prestige and hegemony over Muslim shores and sea. This was the main reason for choosing the US destroyer Cole for bombing in the sea. But, the choice of the best destroyer in the US Navy and the best produced by the US Army was intended to be a slap in the face for the United States. It was to tell the United States that we can deal it a blow whenever and wherever we want. It was a rash, unstudied, and uncalculated reaction to that incident, and thus it had very bad consequences for both the Yemeni Government and the people. As to the Limbourg incident that took place a year after the 11 September incident when contact with the central leadership was very difficult then, it was a reaction. Why have they calmed down in Yemen since the Limbourg incident, and is this an indication of a truce between the government and Al-Qa'ida? The presence ended with the martyrdom of Shaykh Abu-Ali al-Harithi, the commander of the organization in Yemen. Still, I believe the organization is not small in Yemen, as there are large numbers who sympathize with it, although not ideologically, organizationally and administratively, or by recruitment. They also admire ... |
| www.washtimes.com/national/20040811-123531-3824r.htm US intelligence officials say a high-profile political assassination, triggered by the public release of a new message from Osama bin Laden, will lead off the next major al Qaeda terrorist attack, The Washington Times has learned. The assassination plan is among new details of al Qaeda plots disclosed by US officials familiar with intelligence reports who, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the killing could be carried out against a US or foreign leader either in the United States or abroad. The officials mentioned Saudi Arabia and Yemen, two nations that are working with the United States in the battle against al Qaeda, as likely locales for the opening assassination. The planning for the attacks to follow involves "multiple targets in multiple venues" across the United States, one official said. The new details of al Qaeda's plans were found on a laptop computer belonging to arrested al Qaeda operative Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan of Pakistan. "We're talking about planning at the screwdriver level," one official said. Khan was arrested July 13 in Lahore, Pakistan, along with Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian who was indicted in the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Africa and was on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists. US and allied counterterrorism officials are pursuing leads on other terrorists based on the data from Khan's seized laptop. At least one arrest in Britain has been made so far, and others are expected, the officials said. Additionally, US intelligence officials said they think that several al Qaeda terrorists already in the United States are part of the plot, although their identities and locations are not known. "The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the US economy and to undermine the US election," the official said. The al Qaeda attack plans call for bombings using trucks and cars, and hijacked aircraft, including commercial airliners and helicopters. "There is a particular concern that chemical trucks will be used," one official said. Regarding the new bin Laden message, the officials said there are intelligence reports, some of them sketchy, that a new tape from the al Qaeda leader will surface soon. In the past, video and audio messages by bin Laden or his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, were broadcast days or weeks before an attack, the officials said. "The message likely will be the signal for the attack to be launched," one official said. A second US official said one intelligence agency was aware of unconfirmed reports of a new bin Laden tape. "There may be such a tape, but it hasn't surfaced and we haven't seen it," this official said. The CIA said that the audiotape probably was the voice of bin Laden and that the mention of the March 11 Madrid train bombings shows that the tape was current. That tape offered a "truce" for any European state that pledged to stop attacking Muslims and end cooperation with the United States. Contrary to what some Democratic critics of the Bush administration have said, intelligence officials said the new details of al Qaeda planning were obtained from the Khan laptop. The terrorist group was in the process of updating older attack plans, the officials said. Frances Townsend, a White House homeland-security adviser, said Sunday that the government has received a steady "stream" of intelligence indicating that an al Qaeda attack is planned. "What we know now that we didn't know six months ago is that they've done a good deal of planning and surveillance work to accomplish that goal," she said on CBS' "Face the Nation." |