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8/9 Kerry's 'Christmas in Cambodia'
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040809-090612-9480r.htm
Does Kerry have any credibility left at all. He has
now perpetuated this lie for years.
\_ Fuck you!
\_ Why bother posting?
\_ As aaron would say, all this talk of Kerry being a lizard is all
well and good, but it's much more important to get that other lizard
out of office.
\_ So Kerry can what - cede the US to the U.N.???
\_ Straw Man arguments are not very convincing.
\_ Then stop using them against GWB. It's boring and a
waste of precious motd bits.
\_ No motd bit is precious.
\_ Exactly. So stop it.
\_ So he can institute a communist, gay, atheist state and
provide free abortions for illegal immigrants as part of
the welfare bureaucracy which will take away your guns.
\_ Don't forget a maximum wage! -- liberal #1 fan
\_ what is wrong with being atheist state?
\_ what is wrong with allowing people to practice their
non-violent religion? --atheist
\_ Yes, it is unfortunate if true. I think everyone who has been in
the military inflates their accomoplishments a bit, but this was
the basis of some of his anti-war claims. It is still a tempest
in a teapot. But worse for him, imho, than the idiotic Swift Boat
smear campaign.
\_ That's bullshit. My grandfather served in WWII. In infantry
reconnaissance in Red Army. You know, the guys who crawled
reconnaissance in the Red Army. You know, the guys who crawled
around in small teams on the frontlines and captured German
'tongues.' When I was a kid I would always ask him for war
stories and so on, and he never said anything. I never
understood why until much later.. -- ilyas
\_ In soviet russia, war criminal becomes you!
\_ This is very similar to why my father finds Kerry
creepy. Normal people don't like to talk about their
experiances in war, Kerry brags about it constantly.
\_ no he doesn't
\_ yes he does
\_ Silly. It is the entire basis of his run for office.
He spent 19 years in the Senate and spent 73 words over
a 55 minute speech. Most of the rest was about his
stay in Vietnam which was only slightly longer than
his speech.
\_ I know several Vietnam vets. I didn't even know most of
them were there until I knew each one for a few years and
even then they barely mentioned it and sure as hell didn't
tell me any war stories. All of them fought and not for
Kerry's *four months* of bullshit. Kerry is just creepy.
The fact that he signed up and took footage and did all
the rest 30 years previous in a planned effort to become
President later is just freaky and wrong.
\_ Kerry's "four months" was his _SECOND_ tour in Vietnam.
\_ Huh? So how long was he in 'nam total? Link?
\_ According to the Navy, 16 months.
\_ That's right. His first term was sitting on a missile
frigate far from any action. Playing cards all day
takes a toll on a man.
\_ Have you ever played bridge with the devil in
the pale moonlight?
\_ This, from Yahoo News, was posted on 2/17:
(http://csua.org/u/61g but the link expired)
"Others call Kerry's protest activities the reflection of a
man so ambitious for a career in politics that he
consciously held on to his own medals, now displayed in his
Washington office. During the protest at the Capitol,
Kerry, then 27, threw the medals of two other servicemen,
along with his own ribbons."
\_ Better than a man ambitious for a career in keggers
and blow.
\_ I wonder how those two other servicemen feel today.
\_ My grandfather was also in WW II, despite being in his
40s. He was Jewish and escaped from a concentration camp.
He lived in hiding until the war ended. He rarely mentioned
anything about it. Even his wife didn't really know what
happened in all that time, except that he escaped and
spent some time blowing up railways. All he ever told
me when I asked him is: "You don't know anything about
war" while brushing me aside. My girlfriend's entire
family is military and served (as officers) in Vietnam
and they don't talk much about it either. This seems
typical to me. --dim
\_ My grandparents and several aunts and uncles lived through
the Japanese occupation during WWII. Never heard any of
them say anything about those years.
\_ Is story this in the NYT? No. The WP? No. The LAT? No. Is it
in any serious paper? No. Any serious media? No. Obviously
this is not a serious story.
\_ Uh oh, it's mr. i-hate-moonies guy. Go away, troll.
\_ he does have a good point. and moonies still suck. - danh
\_ no he just has a personal bias which you share and are
confusing with a good point in order to completely dismiss
a source of information that sometimes contradicts your
political agenda. it is always easier to dismiss for
personal reasons rather than respond to a contrary
viewpoint. I thought better of you.
\_ The Washington Times is trash, less factually accurate
than the Drudge Report. If you refuse to admit that
to yourself, you will end up with a head full of lies.
\_ Yes, yes, mr. anti-moonie has been trolling here for
years. I keep asking for something other than the
ownership records to back up this claim but I've
given up. The anti-WT crowd had their chance to
come up with something, anything, for the last few
years and has 100% consistently failed to do so.
I will be trolled no longer.
\_ If you can't be bothered to type Washington
Times media watchdog into google, then there
is probably no hope for you, but here goes:
http://www.fact-index.com/t/th/the_washington_times.html
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h120899_2.shtml
http://www.fair.org/media-outlets/washington-times.html
They *routinely* run editorials on the front
page, disguised as "journalism." They are
as bad as Salon. |
| 5/17 |
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| www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040809-090612-9480r.htm John Kerry issued this statement: "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; Mr Kerry's statement at the time was similar to other statements he had made after returning from duty in Vietnam, and throughout much of the 1970s. Writing for the Boston Herald in October 1979, Mr Kerry said this: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." First, the obvious: Richard Nixon was not president in December 1968, and no history of the Vietnam era suggests that Lyndon Johnson ever ordered troops into Cambodia; A new book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," by John O'Neill and Jerome R Corsi, argues that Mr Kerry was never in Cambodia, during Christmas 1968 or otherwise. O'Neill and Corsi highlight the denials of all living commanders in Mr Kerry's chain of command that Mr Kerry was in Cambodia, or was ever ordered into Cambodia (Joe Streuhli, commander of Coastal Division 13; Adrian Lonsdale, captain, Coast Guard, commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi; Ray Hoffman, commander Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam; Also, the authors report that three out of Mr Kerry's five-man Swift boat crew deny that they or their boat was in Cambodia during Christmas 1968 -- the other two refused to comment. According to the book, Mr Kerry and his Swift boat crew were stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo, with a patrol area extending to Sa Dec, which was a little more than 50 miles from the Cambodian border. Tom Anderson, the commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the patrol boats canvassing the waterways from Sa Dec to the Cambodian border, confirmed to the authors that no Swift boats were anywhere in the area, and that any would have been stopped, or their captains court-martialed for breaching the border. In 1992, The Associated Press interviewed Mr Kerry about his Vietnam experience. Again, the Cambodian story resurfaced: "By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia. Then, in a Boston Globe report from last summer, Mr Kerry slightly changed his Cambodia story: "To top it off, Kerry said, he had gone several miles inside Cambodia, which theoretically was off limits." If it was "theoretically off limits," who gave Mr Kerry the order to enter Cambodia, as he asserted numerous times before? Yet in "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War," author Douglas Brinkley provides a thoroughly different version of what happened in Christmas 1968. According to Mr Brinkley, who received his information from Mr Kerry directly, Mr Kerry was on patrol in Sa Dec (50 miles from the Cambodian border) on Christmas Eve and spent Christmas day writing journal entries back at his base. com, you can read "After-action" reports -- first-hand accounts written immediately following combat -- from Mr Kerry's Vietnam tour. Strangely, the reports extend only as far back as February 1969. In the absence of these reports, the public can only pit one version of events with another. Mr Kerry has made his Vietnam experiences the focal point in his campaign. Indeed, the candidate wants voters to judge his Vietnam service as reflecting the qualities needed in a commander in chief. It is not Mr Kerry's detractors who have placed Vietnam at the forefront of the campaign, it is Mr Kerry himself. As such, his testimonials both during and after his tour should be subject to verification and debate. Moreover, it is not beyond the realm of the media to discover whether or not Mr Kerry was truthful on the floor of the Senate, nor should it be beyond Mr Kerry to answer such a charge. The inconsistencies in Mr Kerry's Cambodia story should be explained, either by an inquisitive press corps or by the Kerry campaign itself. |
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| www.fact-index.com/t/th/the_washington_times.html "The Washington Post became very arrogant and they just decided that they would determine what was news and what wasn't news and they wouldn't cover a lot of things that went on. And the Washington Times has forced the Post to cover a lot of things that they wouldn't cover if the Times wasn't in existence." Moonie" Josette Shiner was appointed US Deputy Trade Representative in 2003. The Washington Times Corporation also publishes the New York Noticias Del Mundo, the weekly Insight newsmagazine, and the monthly World&I. Bill Clinton, allowing the suit to continue after her own funding ran out. The Washington times foundation has also sponsored workshops on morality, such as a recent "God and Peace" forum attended by Moon, Sen. Richard Lugar, and White House officials, as well as donating money to the George HW Bush presidential library. Sun Myung Moon the "founder" of the Times: "Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves of the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have devoted myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this blessed land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and energy to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and responsible journalistic institution." However, the Unification Church has been willing to run the paper at a loss to provide a political voice. In 2003, the New Yorker claimed that a billion dollars had been spent since the paper's inception. They also note that the Washington Times proudly funded Oliver North's Iran-Contra affair -- an unusual action for a newspaper. Despite being owned by the Unification Church, it claims to be independent of the Church, and claims not to propagate the Church's teachings directly. Editorial independence Several critics have claimed that the Times is little better than a mouthpiece for the Unification Church, noting that the paper's op-ed pages are often sympathetic to Unification movement concerns. The paper's first publisher, James Whelan, resigned rather than knuckling under to what he saw as church interference with his operation of the paper. The paper's current editor says Whelan was fired because he was difficult to work with and other staffers were threatening to quit because of this. While Times reporters have prided themselves on their independence from the church's position, this has occasionally put them at odds with the founder's claims of having direct influence on the Republican Party via his extravagant funding of the newspaper. For example, on March 3, 2003 the lead editorial declared: "The time has come for the president to publicly declare that it is the decision of the United States government to lead an invasion of Iraq with the intent to change the regime." The only newspaper with a regular "Civil War" desk, the Times has also been criticized as a haven for such reconstructed pro-Confederates as Robert Stacy McCain, a critic of Abraham Lincoln and Emmett Till alike. |
| www.dailyhowler.com/h120899_2.shtml Howler title Graphic Caveat lector 8 December 1999 A Howler extra: Lie boys Synopsis: Have we ever used the word "liar" before? Al Gore and the Love Canal Editorial, The Washington Times, 12/7/99 Gore explains Love Canal remark AP, The Washington Times, 12/2/99 Have we ever used the term "liar" before? On Tuesday morning--the very same day the cross-town Post published a grumbling correction of its phony Gore quote--the feisty Times said this in an editorial: THE WASHINGTON TIMES (12/7): While speaking at a high school forum in New Hampshire, Mr Gore seemed to take credit for discovering a famous toxic waste cite. " The AP story went on to describe the vice president as bragging that he'd held "the first hearing on that issue" and that "I was the one that started it all." that her father and grandfather suffered mysterious ailments she blamed on well water that "tasted funny." "I called for a congressional investigation and a hearing. I found a little place in upstate New York called Love Canal. We made a huge difference and it was all because one high school student got involved." The AP story that ran in the Times last week had quoted Gore correctly. The Washington Times ran an AP story that didn't have the Seelye/Connolly phony quote. an editor at the Washington Post was saying it all meant the same thing. Meanwhile, everyone else was having fun, bruiting the perfect, phony quote around. So on Tuesday--the very same day the grumbling Post managed to correct its bogus quote--on the same day the Post went from wrong to right, the Times made the opposite transition. We've been telling you for a good long while that the press corps is in the business of making up stories it likes. Once again we've called Howard Kurtz and told him he has to report on this. |
| www.fair.org/media-outlets/washington-times.html Times Extra! Articles * The Washington Times Hair-Raising Tall Tale: Lynx fur "hoax" story shows the power of right-wing media, by Paul Tolme (5-6/02) * Behind the Times Action Alerts & Media Advisories: * Will Stossel Endorse Phony "Lynxgate" Story? CounterSpin broadcasts: * Paul Tolme on Lynx Hoax (8/16/02) Links: * The Consortium Archive: The Dark Side of Rev. Moon * The Washington Times: Comments by the Rev. |