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| 2004/8/9-10 [Health/Eyes] UID:32795 Activity:very high |
8/9 If your eyes are over -7.00, DO NOT get Lasik. The technology is just
not there yet -bitter Lasik fucked up guy
\_ my 2 cents as geek who doesn't know much about it:
the technology of cutting eyes with lasers to fix them will
*never* be "there." materials science will progress to the point
where all optical problems can be solved with something that
resembles a contact lense in form, but is very much more
advanced. If I had to guess, I'd say about 25 years from now
there'll be good technology for this sort thing, and it won't
look anything like lasik.
\_ I agree. I will never let a computer cut my eyes via laser either.
I think in the distant future, we may figure out a way for our
eyes to regenerate or change form by applying some external
influences... As for right now, I am happy waring glasses.
\_ by "over," do you mean "better than" or "worse than?"
\_ I am sorry to hear about you being messed up, but can you share a
little more about your situation? I have been pressured (and have
been brushing them aside) to get Lasik and the likes. I am about
-6.50.
\_ What do these number mean? I know I am about 400 from the eye
doctor....
\_ if you can't get Wavefront, don't do it. Look up "higher order
aberrations" and "complication" on Google. The technology is
improving, but for people with high myopia, the rate at which
your eyes heal is still a big unknown factor (no machine can
precisely tell you what your "regression" rate will be), so
you could end up over-corrected by +1-2. I'm hyperoptic now
by about +2.00. Lasik technology is just not there yet. -op
\_ Is being hyperoptic good or do your eyes feel strained
all of the time?
\_ Why should anyone pressure you? Your eyes are yours ....
\_ so i should Lasik in one eye (r: 8.75, l: 5.00) =)
\_ When did you get your Lasik? I hear that technology has been
improving leaps and bounds year-by-year (wavefront, etc.).
\_ Yeah it's like computers. Wait if you can. Anyways, tayq,
2 years ago with traditional Lasik. Then a touch-up (total fuck
up) this year. TOTAL FUCK UP. -op, bitter and depressed
\_ fuck up as in doctor / machine error? or fuck up as in
technology error?
\_ doctor looks at my age, medical history, current
prescription, then plugs into his equation. I was X,
and he corrected me X-1, where the 1 was the estimated
regression (overcorrection) in 3 months. I never really
healed. After getting 2nd and 3rd opinion from different
places, I've come to realize that NO DOCTOR will ever
know the regression rate. Lasik is like an art, not
science. The technology is just not there. -op
\_ Please check out the followings, I have them -op:
http://www.surgicaleyes.org/LossofContrast.htm
http://www.surgicaleyes.org/GlareBursting.htm
http://www.visionsimulations.com (cool sites)
\_ yes there is risk, yes technology will improve, but life
is short. I noticed I am getting more hot chicks after
I got lasik. also, I play lots of contact sports. much
more convenient now.
\_ Maybe you're actually picking up butt-ugly chicks, but can't
tell because of your screwed up operations?
\_ I didn't know those fools uses spheric approximation when they
performs Lasik. This is so fucked up. My friend's eyes suffered
abberration of some sort (not sure if it's a chromatic abberation,
cuz he doesn't have a clue). His vision at night sucks... etc.
For those who are thinking about it, here is what I got from
an opthmaligist who is a ritna specialist and doesn't do
eye surgery herself (thus, no conflict of interest):
1. Believe me or not, there are benefits of using a Diamond Blade
. Believe me or not, there are benefits of using a Diamond Blade
over laser. Two important factors include a. less painful, and b.
wounds are much easier to heal.
2. If you are at age of 30, you need to think really hard about
this, as your cornea is going to go bad at around age of 36-37
anyway. By then, you probably need reading glasses regardless.
Would 6-7 years of perfect vision worth the risk and price?
3. Eye doctors dont like cornea to be weaken for any reason.
Most people will get cataract when they are old. Doctors simply
don't know how would a cornea weaken by Lasik perform when it
needs to be weakened further by the cataract surgery.
\-just out of curiosity, why do the pillsbury doughboys among
you especially object to wearing glasses? i mean i can understand
if you are doing a lot of scuba diving, or using a microscope,
but what is the problems for you pentium and xbox jockeys?
\_ My uncle is an ophthalmologist. He as a saying regarding
lasik, rk, &.c: "If the optometrist gives you a bad pair of
glasses, you can get another pair. If the surgeon gives you
a bad pair of eyes, you can't get another pair".
\_ Duh. It isn't a technology problem. It is a surgical procedure and
like *all* surgical procedures it carries risks. The technology, as
you say, will never be there by your standards. It is a personal
decision. It is the right thing for some people. It is the wrong
thing for others. Research the procedure, the potential negative
after effects, and your doctor. Ask questions. It is not a miracle
cure-all like the op seems to have mistakenly believed before
undergoing a surgical procedure.
--never had lasik, has common sense op lacks |
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| www.surgicaleyes.org/LossofContrast.htm Loss of Contrast Sensitivity is nearly universal after refractive surgery. In most cases, both eyes are operated, and the individual does not get a chance to compare contrast before and after surgery. Most people will not notice the loss, and without having seen pictures in advance, most successful cases remain unaware what was really at risk. In contrast, casualties of refractive surgery often experience severe loss of contrast sensitivity in conjunction with other complications. "Yep, that's what I see too (5 weeks post-op) though it's not quite as pronounced. What is also interesting is that the bright background is brighter and also has less contrast. For me (as perhaps for others too), it is a double blow: Besides losing some quality of vision, the darker shades in backlit rooms have a depressing effect on my mood. Some of the rooms in my house are often backlit and it is now apparent that I need to get better interior lighting. They are ugly, expensive to run but light up a room like nothing else. The good old 100 watt bulbs don't quite cut it any longer." I now have three 500 watt halogen torchieres lamps in my living room, one in my home office and one in my bed room, and one in the dining room. And, I keep the curtains closed during the day to minimize the effect above around sun lit windows. My wife thinks I'm a nuts with all the blinds drawn and all the lights on." There are literally a mile or so of halls that are floor to ceiling glass. When approaching someone standing straight down from me, I cannot make out the face until I am right close to them. I can make out their shape, but cannot see their features. This is awful when I do not recognize someone I've knows for years until I am right literally face to face. A woman walked past me, within 3 feet of me and smiled and said hello. I thought it might be a cafeteria worker that I see everyday. She thought I didn't recognize her because she wasn't wearing her glasses. The other pictures on this site seem to show contrast sensitivity as making things fainter overall. I really can't find things in the closet anymore, I only see blackness when I search for shoes now. Also, I find it hard to spot people walking by the side of the road. They are too dark to notice until they move or get really close to my car. I also have problems seeing items in stores unless they are well lit. Surgical Eyes(TM) does not provide medical or legal advice. |
| www.surgicaleyes.org/GlareBursting.htm Starbursts and halos are considered subjective complaints by the refractive surgery industry and are not counted in the 1-3% complication rate. BelowEarth, a Surgical Eyes member, talks about living with starbursts and halos: "I can tell you, that glare, starburst, haloes and loss of night vision are not minor complications. After you have suffered with them long enough, you may not recognize yourself. The panic, fear and depression i get from this is staggering. I am truly amazed that i have been able to continue with my "so-called" life. |
| www.visionsimulations.com While there is no substitute for actually looking through the eyes of another person, you are welcome to use images from this site to help you communicate your situation to your family, friends, or your doctor. Use of images in a forensic (legal) setting, however, requires explicit written permission. Vision simulations customized for your vision take time and require professional-level software programs. Starting with a detailed description of the patient's visual functioning, we work closely together by email and by phone until the patient says, "That's what I see!" The results are high resolution color prints, Powerpoint presentations, or even Flash animations, depending on your specific needs. Lasik Portal 1 Blurry Vision: In normal, healthy eyes with good vision, blurry vision indicates a need for prescription lens that adds additional power or corrects astigmatism that distorts the natural optics of the eye. Unfortunately, blurred vision after refractive surgery may not be correctable, and can coexist with ghosting, smeared vision, or other visual abberations. Although 'smear' may seem to a less than technical term, many patients find that it nevertheless provides the best description of what they see. Some patients report their vision is smeared in two or more directions in a single eye. Like ghosts, smears vary in their transparency, with some being darker than others. The perceptual effects of LASIK are often similar, but here, signal reflection results from irregularities in the corneal surface. Ghosts vary in terms of transparency, size, and colors ghosted. We have worked with patients with ten or more ghosts in low light conditions. In the author's opinion, this usage is archaic, and reflects a lack of understanding of the perceptual phenomena that afflict those with complications. Here, the term is restricted to situations in which light seems to overflow, or 'seep outside,' its normal boundaries around light sources, or sources of reflected light, such as shiny objects. Halos are usually seen as huge globes of illuminated fog surrounding sources of light. Sometimes the globes seem to contain other globes, brighter and denser, nested two or more levels deep. From a simulation perspective, starbusts and halos exist on a continuum, with starbursts shading into halos as the rays become less distinct and diffuse into each other. When contrast sensitivity is lost, the ability to distinguish between variations of hue and brightness is lost. Perceptually, this effect is similar to turning down the Contrast adjustment on your television of monitor: Eventually sharp boundaries are lost. Objects merge together, as if a haze of grey soup had been poured over one's visual field. com works with eye disease support groups to develop better communication tools for individuals with damaged vision. |