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| 2004/8/9 [Politics/Domestic/HateGroups, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:32791 Activity:very high |
8/9 Sometimes you just forget how far out Texas really is:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58223
\_ If you want to tell yourself that these shitheads only exist in
Texas and the south, fine, but you're wrong. They're right here
on the motd. What do you think this country would look like if
the Mormons ever succeeded their stated goal of converting the
U.S. into a Mormon state? The fundamentalist enemy is all around
you.
\_ w00t! Way to turn an unrelated story into an attack on a
denomination you know nothing about!
\_ Surely you'll now be able to document our "stated goal" right?
-emarkp
\_ just wondering, as a mormon what do you think of said law?
\_ As a /citizen/ I think communities should be able to
establish and enforce obscenity laws. It's unclear from
the article whether the case is prosecutable under the
local laws or not. I really don't know what my being
Mormon has anything to do with it. -emarkp
\_ As a *citizen* I see you and your obscenity laws
as a direct threat to my freedom, and to this
country. Thank you for proving my point.
If you delete this again, I'll nuke everything
below the original anti-mormon rant. Fuck you.
\_ I didn't delete anything in the thread, and I
assume you didn't just delete my reply. Grow up.
And sign your name. Freedoms are all limited, and
we decide collectively where those limits are.
You aren't free to yell "fire" in a crowded
theater either. -emarkp
\_ Joseph Smith is a false prophet, therefore the whole church
is a sham. Also, not one shred of archaelogical evidence
for the Book of Mormon.
\_ Learn to format aaron.
\_ Wasn't me. --aaron
\_ Nice work documenting your claim. -emarkp
\_ Well, it's just known that you're in cahoots with the Jews,
the Xtian religious right wing, the necons, the KKK, the
North Dakota militiamen, the North German Neo Nazi movement,
the toxic waste dumpers, and the mad scientists to control
the orbital mind control lasers, in order to reverse the
alignment of the boy sprouts and thus achieve global
domination! Only the far liberal left aka the socialists,
once known as the communists can protect our freedom to party!
\_ And California is perfectly normal and centrist.
\_ Yes, we do have our own eccentricities, but at least we don't
waste the police's time by infiltrating people's private
dildo selling parties.
\_ Don't like a law? Change it. It's called 'community
standards'. When you bring your dildo party to places that
don't like them, you expect shit will happen.
\_ And we don't like those places, or more specifically, the
"prominent citizens" of that place.
\_ Whatever. Have you added anything to this thread with
a comment like that? Does your liking or not liking
people from other places have anything to do with dildo
parties in Texas getting busted by the local cops? No.
\_ Actually, my comment more clearly states the essence
of the first post in this thread:
We hate prominent citizens that sic the local cops
on people below them breaking a law that shouldn't
be a law.
\_ People below them? WTF country are you in? In
*this* country, you're a citizen or you're not.
STFU with your class warfare bullshit. As far
as "breaking a law that shouldn't be a law" goes,
if you don't like a law, get it changed. If you
can't get it changed because not enough others
agree with you, then tough shit. It's a community
standards issue, not a matter of life and death or
freedom. The Constitution does not guarantee the
right to have sex toy parties.
\_ I don't think I ever mentioned "class warfare",
nor do I know what you're talking about
exactly. We all know changing a law takes
time and trouble, and it helps to be well
connected and have free time to do it.
What I say still holds:
No one likes it when prominent citizens sic the
local cops on people below them breaking a law
that shouldn't be a law.
\_ Different people have different levels of
power, money and authority in this country.
It is not "class warfare" to acknowledge
this fact.
\_ Those are some seriously warped "community standards."
I am not going to waste my time trying to change some
redneck Texas rural communities laws, just be thankful
every day I live in a more sane and tolerant place.
\_ They have their laws. You have yours. The people who
*do* live there have chosen to accept them. If they
don't like them they can try to change them or leave.
They do not have the a-ok to break them and whine about
it because they are applying your leftist liberal
California standards to a very socially conservative
Texan town. That's just stupid.
\_ By your standards, those Muslim women who object
to being forced to wear a burqa and being kept
out of school should just STFU and accept their
community standards or leave.
\_ That's ridiculous--when it's not a democratic
society obviously they can't try to change their
local laws. -emarkp
\_ Technically, Nigeria is a democracy. yet
they have some of the most egregious
rights violations by religious nuts
in the world. Is that the fault of the
victims also?
\_ Once upon a time germany had a democratic
society that decided communists, gays, jews,
and gypsies were not upto its community
standard, and neither was challenge to the
furer.
\_ MEN WITH GUNS took that woman from her STUFF!! Where's
the libertarian outcry??
\_ Dude, SF is Middle America. We're about as liberal as
Dayton, OH. http://csua.org/u/8iy
\_ Link unread. Either it points to goatsex, tub lady, or you're
serious and not worth replying to.
\_ It's worse than goatsex...hint: it's "fair and ballanced..." |
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| www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58223 type=domesticNews&storyID=5709804 Published: Jul 19, 2004 Author: none listed Post Date: 2004-07-19 20:28:37 by bunnyrabbit 1 Comments DALLAS (Reuters) - A Texas woman charged with violating obscenity laws for selling a sexual toy and explaining to her customer how to use it has had the case against her dismissed, court officials said on Monday. Joanne Webb, a mother of three and a former schoolteacher in the town of Burleson near Forth Worth, was facing up to a year in jail after she sold a vibrator at a private party to two undercover police officers posing as a married couple. The case received national attention because it touched off a debate on whether a person should be jailed for selling vibrators to adults. Johnson County Attorney Bill Moore said in a statement that his office last week asked a judge to dismiss the case in order to prevent the county from wasting resources on it. Texas law allows for the sale of sexual toys as long as they are billed as novelties. But when a person markets the items in a direct manner that shows how they are used in sex, it is considered criminal obscenity. BeAnn Sisemore, the lawyer representing Webb in the case, said she has brought a federal suit against Texas officials seeking to overturn the obscenity law. She thinks the pending federal suit, along with public pressure, helped lead to the dismissal in the Webb case. "Elected officials were hearing from the citizens that they did not want this, that this is wrong," Sisemore said. Webb is a representative for Passion Parties, a California company marketing potions, lotions and sexual toys sold at gatherings that mimic Tupperware parties. Women over 18 meet in a private home for what the company calls a "girl's night out of giggles and fun," during which products designed to enhance sex lives are sold. The police officers in November posed as a couple trying to spice up their love life. After selling the vibrator, Webb instructed the woman on its use and explained how it could enhance lovemaking. Police in Burleson who helped arrange the sting operation, did not return calls seeking comment on news the charges had been dropped. Sisemore said she plans to speed up the process in the federal suit and expects hearings on the issue in the next 15 days to 25 days. She said Johnson County officials could still bring criminal charges against Webb again on the issue. A woman's right to be educated on her sexuality should never be considered obscene," Webb said. According to reports in local media and residents of Burleson close to the issue who asked not to be identified, a few prominent citizens with strong Christian beliefs were angered by Webb and her activities. org may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available on a non-profit basis for educational and discussion purposes only. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in 17 USC 107. |
| csua.org/u/8iy -> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,57994,00.html SHOW INFO SAN FRANCISCO -- On the streets of San Franciscos Little Italy, some emblems of national pride are welcome but not all. In fact, Old Glory is coming down just days after resident Ed Yee put them up. "I took it upon myself to correct the situation and put American flags up on the poles; Yee is a patriot to some, but a vandal to the public works department, which has cited him for "defacing" more than 70 light poles and fined him $5,000. "You just can't go around and start sticking things you know anywhere you want," said Mohammad Nuru, deputy director for the San Francisco Public Works Department. Nuru said Yees first mistake was posting the pennants without a permit; his second was allowing a TV news crew to cover his banner act videotape thats now a key piece of evidence. But when everything from Nazi art to wet T-shirt contests are routinely posted without permission, merchant Mike Cresci wonders why the city is making an issue of displaying the stars and stripes. want to go after and they decide to go after," said Cresci, a North Beach deli owner. San Francisco officials deny they're practicing selective law enforcement, saying the names and numbers on all those other fliers are difficult to validate. Yee refuses to pay the fine, but is now passing out bumper stickers instead. "Im trying to get people to sign a letter to the mayor that we want to see some American flags in addition to the beautiful Italian flags in North Beach." Minutes after city workers scraped off the flag outside Crescis deli, he put up Yees bumper sticker. There is no word yet on whether the shopkeeper will also be fined. But Yee is not the first to run into problems when attempting to put the red, white and blue more out in the open. Earlier this month, Dayton, Ohio, resident Sidney Moore tried to fly the American flag on a flag pole outside his home, but the area housing association said the pole violated a homeowners' agreement. Ohio legislators introduced a bill that would prevent homeowner associations from banning flagpoles at new homes. That measure passed the state House and will be taken up by the Senate in the fall. The flag allegedly maddened California resident Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, who was shot to death by security guards at Los Angeles International Airport after he opened fire on an El Al ticket counter on July 4, killing two people. Neighbors said Hadayet lived quietly, but became incensed when an upstairs neighbor hung large American and Marine Corps flags from a balcony above his front door after Sept. In June, the DC Housing Authority said that flying the flag upside down in protest or as a distress signal is a sign of incompetence and that in the war against terrorism, the act may be perceived as a sign of disrespect. com Site Tools Take advantage of services and tools that get you closer to the news. Subscribe to FOX News Alerts, or download our FNC Ringtones, Search Toolbar, Ticker and more. |