8/7     I'll say this again, terrorism is the only answer to superpower
        oppression. Why do you think the Muslim world hates the US?
        Just look at what we did to them. We either kill them all and
        be done with it, like we did to the Native Americans, or treat
        them with the proper respect. Anything else, you'll have
        terrorism and it will never end. I am sure some of you would
        like to do the former, but the world it is now, it's just not
        possible. But we also don't want to go with the 2nd option,
        because it's just so much better to rob (oil) than to buy.
        \_ it's mercy that is preventing the US from nuking the
           muslim world off the face of the earth
        \_ lets see, the US wasn't around in 1000 AD when the
           muslims slaughtered everything that didnt want to convert
           to islam.
        \_ It's obvious you have no real understanding of the
           Middle East or the Muslim world. The problem with the Muslim
           world is not the US, it is not Isreal, it is not Europe, it
           is not Asia. The problem with the Muslim world is itself.
           The 22 nations that comprise the Arab league has a population
           about the size of Europe, yet it's combined GDP is about the size
           of Belgium and Portugal combined. Their only real industry is
           oil. Within these 22 countries there are no real democracies,
           no real free press, no rights for women, an antiquated legal
                                     \_ Factually incorrect statement
           system that advocates stoning to death adulterous women, an
           education system that harkens back to the 12th century,
           an infrastructure in which some 25% of the general male population
           is unemployed. The governments of these 22 are either autocratic
           or corrupt. Dissent is dealt with swiftly and quietely, tolerance
           for other religions is non-existant. In the 21st century when
           all other nations on this planet (with few exceptions) have
           at least attempted to establish basic civil rights for their
           populations the Arab world continues to be completely intransigent.
           Their states sponsor terrorism and encourages extremist thought.
           They program their citizens by continously scapegoating the west
           and spread their lies to the uninformed. If you do not believe me
           you can try watching Al-Jezeera for a day.
           The point is that the the middle east is dysfunctional, and
           unless there are some fundmental changes in this part of the world
           the suicide bombings will continue. By attempting to respect
           the individuals who perpetuate the continued state of affairs
           like Arafat, like Qadaffi, like the insurgents in Iraq who still
           support Hussein you merely embolden them to continue their
           tyrannical regimes.
        \_ A neoconservative would probably argue that by spending hundreds
           of billions of dollars of our money to try to construct a liberal
           democracy in the middle east, we are (finally) treating them
           with respect.
        \_ The muslim world has been at war with the west since they met the
           west in the middle ages.  You might note this pre-dates the
           existence of the US.  And no, we didn't kill all the Native
           Americans.  As far as respect goes, if they treated their own
           people with some, it might set an example for the rest of the
           world in that regard.  This is all standard blame the victim
           mentality.  What's next up on your list?  We abandon the only
           democracy in the middle east?  The only place women are allowed
           to vote?  The only place where the court system holds the military
             \_ Factually incorrect statement
           in check despite the fact that security would be increased overall
           if the military was allowed a completely free hand?  Okey dokey!
        \_ You're framing your argument toward potential jihadis, not
           American voters.  Terrorism isn't the only answer to superpower
           oppression, but it is an expectable result.  Look at the converse
           of your argument: if there were no great injustices, there would be
           far fewer terrorists- people making a decent living, with hope of
           a better future for their children, simply cannot be persuaded to
           strap a bomb to their chest and storm a bus.  The way you phrased
           your post grants your rhetorical opponent the opportunity to claim
           that terrorists are fundamentally different (well, perhaps they are,
           but they weren't always that way).
        \_ The muslim "world" has been at war with the rest of civilization
           for centuries (don't forget all the bad things they have done
           and continue to do in India). Terrorism is nothing new for Islam,
           either. In the old days they would butcher entire families for
           refusing to convert (among other less than reputable things).
           The war with islam is the war against oppression and tyranny.
           If we start discussing terms with the armies of darkness, all
           hope for the free and civilized will be lost forever.
           \_ Kettle, please meet medieval era pot. Pot, kettle. Do say
              hello.
                \_ The rest of the world has grown up a little in the
                   past thousand years, the islamic world has not. In
                   fact they have gotten worse. We must not forget that
                   during the dark ages it was the arabs who preserved
                   the knowledge and learning of the ancients and also
                   transmitted to renaissance italy the mathematics of
                   the east. Do you really think that the islamic world
                   is capable of such things today?