Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 32715
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2004/8/5 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:32715 Activity:nil
8/5     http://www.slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2104755&
        Yes, I'm a hater. Now get your huge ass vehicle off my roads.
        \_ YES!
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Ford Excursion, I'll bet you've watched them thundering down quiet residential lanes and wondered to yourself: Why is that monster allowed on this little street? Cities throughout California--the nation's largest car market--prohibit the heaviest SUVs on many of their residential roads. The problem is, they don't seem to know they've done it. I discovered this secret ban after noticing the signs at both ends of my narrow Los Angeles-area street (a favorite cut-through route for drivers hoping to avoid tie-ups on bigger roads). Hidden in plain sight Hidden in plain sight I knew a 6K pound limit ruled out a lot of the larger trucks that routinely rumble by my house, unpursued by traffic cops. But then I got to thinking: Could some of those bigger SUVs exceed 3 tons? It turns out every big SUV and pickup is too heavy for my street. Banned for good reason Banned for good reason Here's what few people seem to realize: By weighing in at more than 6,000 pounds, big SUVs are prohibited on thousands of miles of road in California. Cities across the state--including San Francisco, Los Angeles, Pasadena, and Santa Monica--use the 3-ton cutoff for many or nearly all of their residential streets. State law gives them the ability to do this for very straightforward reasons: The heavier the vehicle, the more it chews up the roads, endangers pedestrians and smaller vehicles, and makes noise. proposed that fines for breaking this law be hiked from $50 for a first offense and $100 for a second to $250 and $1,000, respectively. When I informed Hahn that all the big SUVs also break the 6K barrier, she seemed surprised. I asked if she thought the ban should be enforced against them. "I have my own issues with Hummers and SUVs, but this was not the intent of this ordinance." 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