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2004/8/5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32705 Activity:moderate
8/5     http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/rnc/9574/index.html
        Norman Mailer and son discuss GWB, RNC in NYC, McCain, Kerry,
        Nader, others.
        \_ Who is this guy?
        \_ Mailer is about as U.S.-friendly as Chirac is
           \_ Ah, attacking the patriotism of those who disagree with you.
              \_ Why do you hate nationalist jingoism?
                 \_ Why do you hate the Jews?
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As New York prepares to be invaded by the red-state hordes during an election that has much of the city fearing the prospect of four more years, a persistent fantasy resurfaces. Republican Walking Tour The official off-site entertainment schedule for GOP delegates includes Wicked, The Lion King, and private visits to Saks--but those who wish to venture even farther afield might take this stroll. Feature Father to Son: What I've Learned About Rage A conversation between a man of legendary fury and his son preparing to go to the barricades about the uses and abuses of Bush hatred. Ive seen it three times, and with each viewing I became more aware of Michael Moores tricks. I would say about 50 percent of the film is indisputable, particularly the portion on Iraq, but in the first half he uses too many needless tricks. I saw it for the first time last night, and was upset through the first half. You dont make your case by showing George HW Bush and a Saudi sheikh shaking hands. 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