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2004/8/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32695 Activity:very high
8/4     I wish Kerry would drop the Vietnam schtick, but the Dems
        keep at it.  So... watch the new TV ad.
        http://www.swiftvets.com
        \_ read http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050004 . thanks - danh
           \_ Most of the information on this site is from the evil,
              conservitive, FOX News!  I don't believe a word of it!
        \_ I highly suggest you look into the people
           behind this site.
           \_ I have.  What should I know, that they are Republicans?
              How is that relevant, Kerry is the issue not them.
              A more important question is have you looked into
              Kerry's post-war behavior?
              \_ They are Bush operatives.  John O'Neill also had plenty
                 of fine, baseless things to say against John McCain during
                 the 2000 primaries.
                 \_ Sorry but meeting with Madam Binh in Paris
                     while the war is still going on transcends
                    political divisions.  I'm willing to listen,
                    what assertions are apocryphal?
                 \_ Why can you not understand that the source of information
                    isn't relevent if the information is true?
              \_ More important is his at-war behavior.  His bullshit medals,
                 his war criminal quality activity, his viciousness and
                 callous disregard for his fellow man.  I'd rather have a
                 coked out drunk than a killer and a thug as President.
                 \_ you shouldn't buy into the two party system like that.
                    there's also the egomenaiacal shithead trial lawyer who
                    couldn't even get the endorsement of his own party.
                 \_ With Bush, you get both.
                    \_ Snarky but stupid.
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article stated: "Bush appears to be making inroads" among Catholics. The article also reported that in 2000, Catholics favored former Vice President Al Gore over Bush by 49 percent to 47 percent, and that this year "polls indicate that Catholics, overall, are again leaning Democratic." Abu Ghraib prison scandal, suggesting that they would worry that the intelligence leading to the announcement may have been acquired through interrogation methods resembling the abuse of Iraqi prisoners. poll of delegates to the Democratic National Convention in order to argue that their views fall outside the political mainstream. Fund grossly distorted one statistic from the poll and "cited" two others that, in fact, appear nowhere in the poll. report documents O'Neill's participation in Republican efforts to smear Kerry dating back to the Nixon administration. The scrutiny that cable networks directed toward Kerry's critics throughout the day varied significantly; FOX News Channel provided in-depth coverage, including revealing that some of Kerry's present-day critics have, in the past, actually praised Kerry for his Vietnam service. In many of the May 4 cable news reports, the partisan political backgrounds of the Swift Boat Vets were mentioned. he Kerry campaign points out there are Republicans here." Crowley also noted that the group's spokeswoman "is a Texas Republican who has contributed to the Bush campaign." On MSNBC's Scarborough Country, host Joe Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration and asked if O'Neill was doing it again for the Bush campaign. 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