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2004/8/4 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32687 Activity:nil
8/4     Ha, I guess vinyl lasts longer than CDs after all:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3940669.stm
        \_ CD's were an obvious fucking rippoff from day one.  here's
           the real challenge: name *any* data storage medium of any kind
           that sucks more than CD for longevity.
           \_ floppy disks
              \_ floppy disks don't leak as much, so they're arguably better
                 for keeping your data securely stored.
                 \_ if you don't mind losing the argument.
              \_ cd's aren't ruined by magnets.
        \_ I'll bet that stone tablets last even longer.
        \_ Can we have a digital medium that is widely and easily accessible
           and has long life?  Yesterday MO thread shows that you can protect
           your data against a glancing nuclear attack but unable to read it
           because of a lack of a driver, or transfer all your archive from
           CD -> DVD -> blue ray every few years as technology advances?
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By Tom Bishop BBC News Online entertainment staff Dire Straits Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms was the first million-selling CD Compact discs were sold as the durable alternative to vinyl - but anyone who opens the case of an ageing CD may be in for a nasty surprise. Earlier this year, US web designer Dan Koster found 15% of his 2,000 CDs had begun to rot, and were unplayable and worthless as a result. Holding his CDs up to the light, he said: "I was shocked to see a constellation of pinpricks, little points where the light was coming through the aluminium layer." As we increasingly convert CD tracks for use on portable digital players and copy songs and photos onto CDs, there is renewed interest in the format's longevity. What causes CDs to deteriorate, and how wide is the problem? Still vulnerable Soon after compact discs came onto the market in 1983, owners realised that - while they were indeed more durable than vinyl or cassette tape - the CD was by no means indestructible. Each CD comprises an aluminium layer which holds its data, sandwiched between polycarbonate and a protective lacquer. The inlay booklet that came with your copy of the first big-selling CD, Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms, warned that the disc remained vulnerable to heat, cold, light, dust, fingerprints and scratches. Stacking discs horizontally was bad for them, as was any Tomorrow's World stunt involving jam, drills or bulldozers. By obeying these rules, we were promised "a lifetime of listening pleasure". To say they will last for 100 years simply isn't true Jessica Ross, Computing Which? Have your say on the durability of CDs That claim has since been questioned by CD owners including Jessica Ross, editor of Consumer Association magazine Computing Which? "I have several that are unplayable a few months after buying them," she said. "To say they will last for 100 years simply isn't true." Yet manufacturers maintain that bad handling is the main cause of problems with compact discs. "Most people believe the underside of the CD is its most vulnerable part, when in fact it is the side with the label on," said Roy Varley, managing director of CD manufacturer Spool Multi Media. "A slight scratch on the label side can damage the metal and cause the CD to skip or become unreadable." compact disc Compact discs were made commercially available in 1983 However, this does not explain why careful CD owners have found discs in a worse condition than when they left them. Eleven years ago thousands of compact discs in the UK became unplayable after they changed colour from silver to gold in a process known as "bronzing". This was initially blamed on a reaction between the CD's lacquer and chemicals within the cardboard cases which housed them at the time. But two months later, CD manufacturer PDO said all affected discs had been made in the late 1980s at its plant in Blackburn, Lancashire, which had used a silver coating on its discs instead of the standard gold. Rusting effect Spool Multi Media said while "most CD manufacturers aim for high standards", faults still occasionally develop. "When the CD is made, protective lacquer is dropped onto each disc, which is spun to spread the lacquer to its outer edges," said Mr Varley. "If this is not done properly, the lacquer may not cover the disc, enabling air to penetrate and oxidise the aluminium. Millions and millions of compact discs have been made and problems have only been found with an absolute minority Jeannet Harpe, Philips communications manager Record companies Warner Music, EMI, BMG, Sony and Universal declined to comment on the deterioration of compact discs. Similarly, a spokesperson for CD manufacturer Sonopress would only say: "We tend to distance ourselves from being linked with CD deterioration." But Philips, which co-developed the compact disc with Sony, said CD deterioration was an isolated problem. 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"Computers can also develop faults - no format is completely 100% reliable. With that in mind, the compact disc is still the best format there is." We want to hear your stories - have your CDs survived 20 years, or are they deteriorating with age? I have vast collections of tapes and CDs and I like to keep them both - there's a very small overlap of these collections. wmv formats - I don't like the idea that an algorithm decides what I can or can't listen to. I've got hundreds of CDs and I've never had any problems with any of them. For best results just buy good equipment to play them on and look after your discs! Handle them by the edges and don't leave them lying around to gather dust or get scratched. Steve Smith, Nottingham, UK I have 4 CD players in all, a CD changer in the car, a portable player, a Radio/CD player and a Hi Fi unit. What I have found, is that certain CDs will skip or not play on one of the players but be perfect on another. So obviously the qulity of build and electronics have a dramatic effect. Martin Clarke, Ottershaw, Surrey I haven't had a serious problem (yet) with any format except reel to reel tape. But remembering your article about the indestructibility of flash memory cards, perhaps that is the way to go? Or is that another myth due to be rumbled in the years to come? Steve, London I did feel guilty for ripping off the music business, by downloading music free from file-sharing networks. Jonathan M, Herts, UK No, those little silver records don't last very long. Anyway, I never know which speed to play them on, and when I put the needle on, all I get is a funny scratching noise. PJ, W Yorks, UK It may be advisable to keep CDs away from fridges, freezers and laser printers - which all produce ozone. Ozone a highly reactive oxidant and therefore may result in corrosion of CDs. Environmental condiions may explain why some people have problems and others do not. Regarding simple scratches, as to why those who make CD players can make them ignore a scratch rather than getting stuck is a mystery. Fergus Kane, London We have a collection of about 2000 CDs dating back to when they first came on the market. They have been stored vertically, never exposed to significant temperature changes and treated with great care. The bad ones, about 150, initially turn gold and then become unplayable. The problem appears to be restricted to a number of older discs which were pressed in the United Kingdom. None of the American imports or the European pressings have shown signs of deterioration. Jane, Dudley, England Theres no doubt in my mind that vinyl is the best format for music. Also I have 2 copies of PJ Harvey's Stories from the Sea Stories from the City and both are unplayable. I have noticed that CDs seem to be thinner nowadays and both these CDs and others I've bought recently have scratched more easily. Jim Painter, Camden, London I have stoped borrowing audio books on CD from my local library. Invariably one of the CDs gets stuck half way through the story, with the narrator repeating a phrase over and over again. Makes me quite nostalgic for the needle getting stuck in the record groove. Provided you use up to date Hi Fi equipment with light weight pick ups I reckon Vinyl will outlast CDs any day. bob butler, chigwell, Uk A few years ago at a meeting of...