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2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32686 Activity:nil
8/4     I've seen it claimed on the motd that Sandy Berger has been
        cleared and that Bush has military documents he can release but
        hasn't. I've asked for links substantiating both these claims,
        but have not receieved a single response.  Not even a blog link.
        Can I conclude that these are silly lies now?
        \_ Christ, just quit bitching and google.
           http://members.aol.com/forvets/htomr.htm
           \_ Oooookay... so I knew this.  But I thought the claim was
              that Bush's records of 72-73 were MISSING....
              \_ I believe the beef that AP has with the Bush records is that
                 he didn't grant them the rights to the records, he requested
                 his own copy and then forwarded them with the wax stamp
                 unsealed, so to speak.
        \_ I do not think Bush has released all possible military records
        \_ Dewd, there are a lot of unverified claims on soda, and some
           posts that debunk them and tell you exactly why.  Berger has been
           cleared of obstructing the 9/11 commission by 9/11 commission
           representatives; the Archives people are still deciding what to do
           about Berger violating Archives policy on notetaking and removing
           classified photocopies.
           http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/10235294p-11155782c.html
           \_ Thank you, I wasn't able to find that link.
        \_ Kerry has not released all of his military records.
           \_ Yeah, so what we have is:
              Bush claims he has released all relevant records.  It can perhaps
              never be verified that he did or did not.
              Kerry has said he has released all military records, but from
              press reports, reviews by superior officers were not made
              available (unclear why).
              \_ and medical records related to his medals.
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Berger case called no barrier to 9/11 panel's work By David Whitney -- Bee Washington Bureau Published 2:15 am PDT Tuesday, August 3, 2004 WASHINGTON - The 9/11 commission had access to everything it needed to complete its investigation last month despite concerns that copies of critical documents had been removed from the National Archives by former national security adviser Sandy Berger. Last month word was leaked to reporters of a Justice Department investigation into Berger making off with copies of top-secret documents from the National Archives. The documents related to terrorism information collected by the Clinton administration, including the ultrasecret millennium terror report. Shortly after the investigation became public, House Republican leaders raised concerns that Berger had removed documents that might have been damaging to the Clinton administration so that they didn't make it into the hands of the bipartisan commission looking into the Sept. But Daniel Marcus, general counsel of the commission, said Monday that "we are quite confident that our investigation was not affected by this." Marcus said he called the Justice Department to make sure the forthcoming report was not compromised by documents the commission had not seen. "I wanted to get assurances from the Justice Department - the career people, those doing the investigation - that we had no reason to think the completeness or integrity of our investigation had been affected by this," he said. "They gave me those assurances, including the assurance that the archives was confident that it had copies of all the documents in question," Marcus said. The criminal investigation into the documents was in January and no charges have been brought against Berger. National Archives spokeswoman Susan Cooper said the issue isn't over. "This is still under investigation, and the National Archives is not commenting on the case," she said. But Cooper said the concern all along has been about the copying and removal of documents. "And that's where the investigation stands now from our perspective," she said. It is illegal to remove classified documents, originals or copies, from the National Archives. Berger admitted taking documents, blaming his own "sloppiness." He said most documents were promptly returned but there were a few he couldn't find.