8/2 Very interesting article. It is now clear that we deliberately
went to Vietnam by provoking the North Vietnamese:
http://tinyurl.com/4t7kk (NPR)
Listen to the full analysis.
This is a far cry from the "Communist aggression" we've portraited
for generations.
\_ Old news, nothing new to see here. If you were actually alive
during the 'Nam war you would've realized this. Time you went
back to 20th Century American History 101.
\_ Just like we provoked them in '75, when they
subsequently slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Cambodians
and millions deserted on rafts. You're a complete fool;
a perfect Kerry voter.
\_ Uhm, the Khmer Rouge/Vietnam war was at best a muddled affair.
Don't know which was worse, Pol Pot killing 2 million or
the Vietnamese coming in and slaughtering the Pol Pot regime.
It's just a nasty business either way and just underscores
how bad communism really was.
\_ Pol Pot was a byproduct of France and the Communist
Vietnamese and Chinese
a perfect Kerry voter.
\_ Here's another newsflash, LBJ was a DEMOCRAT! Oh my golly!
\_ We thought it was Communism spread by the Soviet Union, but
actually it was just a nationalist movement, which we would have
not had a problem with. Oops!
\_ We would not have had a problem with, except that we were
there in the first place backing up the French, who felt
they needed to reassert their roles as colonialists after
WWII. If he had listened to Ho Chi Min and told France to
stuff it's colonialism where the sun doesn't shine earlier,
we could have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
\_ Given that France has a tradition of anti-Americanism, why
on earth did we try to save its ass in indochine?
\_ Anti-Americanism?! The country that gave us the Statue
of Liberty and helped us defeat the British?
\_ Wrong France. Try again. Read a history book.
\_ Which part are you disputing, idiot?
\_ Read a history book, you ignorant slut. I
dispute your historical comments. All of them.
Know wtf you're talking about before calling
someone an idiot. Go check the dates for the
French Revolution. Idiot, indeed.
\_ You dispute that France gave the Statue of
Liberty to the US? Which country was
France imitating with the revolution? Moron.
\_ We wanted them to join NATO.
\_ Live and learn. Frenchies get pretty friendly when
they're getting their butt's kicked by Germans.
\_ Actually 2/3 of Vietnam voted, yes voted, in an
election to remain aligned with France. This was an
unsatisfactory result for Ho Chi Min hence the civil
war. What he could not obtain by election was taken
by force.
\_ That's a new one to me. Link?
\_ It was not 'nationalist' movement. Ho Chi Min and the
other cadre were laways tried and true Communists, even
during WWII. The common foot soldier may have thought
he was fighting for freedom, but as soon as the war
was over he found out otherwise (as is always the case
with these Communist insurrections). Of course anyone
who then caused trouble was summarily shot.
\_ "Want to do what I say, and you're free to do what you
want."
\_ While they were communists, my contention is that it was
nationalism that is what actually mattered. They were not
toadies of the Soviet Union. |