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2004/8/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32640 Activity:very high
8/2     Washington Post article shows convention reversed voter distribution
        on which candidate is trustworthy / honest:
        http://csua.org/u/8f6
        \_ Not according to NewsMax!
           http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/2/90109.shtml
           \_ NewsMax is saying Kerry didn't get a 10-15% bounce, and everyone
              knows that.  However, not everyone knows that on some
              issue/character-related questions, Kerry saw a big jump, which
              is what I posted.
        \_ Yawn, yes, we've been over this.  The polls will go up and down
           in all directions every week until the election.  The conventions
           don't mean squat.  People will watch the 3 debates, ignore the vp
           debate and vote based on how they feel after they've seen or heard
           about all 3.  No poll is worth a bucket of spit until after the
           third debate.  I know you're all psyched and this is your first
           election and all and it's really exciting and you think this stuff
           is important, but really, I promise, it isn't.  If there were a
           20+ point lead then we'd know who was winning.
           \_ I think you need to give motd posters more credit than this.
              I realize that there will be ups and downs -- however, this
              result shows that there is a bump for Kerry on trustworthiness,
              when it's entirely imaginable he would have screwed this up.
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Polls Kerry Leads Bush in Post-Convention Poll Washington Post-ABC News Poll Shows Voters Favor Kerry 50-44 By Richard Morin and Dan Balz Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, August 2, 2004; The new poll shows Kerry now claims the support of 50 percent of all registered voters, compared with 44 percent for Bush, with independent candidate Ralph Nader at 2 percent. On the eve of the convention, Bush led Kerry 48 percent to 46 percent. Among those most likely to vote, the race is tighter: Kerry holds a 2-point advantage over Bush in the current poll. By historical standards, Kerry's post-convention bounce is modest, at best -- a fact that set off a debate between his and Bush's campaign advisers. 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Kerry effectively introduced himself to many voters who had only a vague impression of him and reestablished himself as the candidate who better understands the problems of average Americans, the poll found. He also appeared to answer, at least for the moment, questions about his fitness to assume the presidency in a time of crises abroad and terrorist threats at home. Kerry, who emphasized his military service and began his acceptance speech by announcing he was "reporting for duty," is viewed by 52 percent all voters as better able to serve as commander-in-chief while 44 percent back Bush. And he has erased the president's double-digit advantage as the candidate best able to deal with terrorism. But the survey also suggests that the Democrats were less successful in answering questions about Kerry's specific plans for dealing with the situation in Iraq, the terrorist threat and the lackluster economy -- issues that rank at the top of voters' agendas. 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You bet we saved a certain article from Thursday's New York Times, the one speculating on how much the Democrat convention would boost John Kerry. Some pundits had guesstimated a 6-point jump, but the Times quoted President Bush's pollster Matthew Dowd. He noted that "in the five races in the last 30 years in which a challenger went against a sitting president, the average convention bounce was in the neighborhood of 15 percentage points." Democrats, knowing that Kerry wouldn't get anything close to that, said the figure was twisted because Bill Clinton got a 16-point bounce when his "independent" stooge Ross Perot withdrew (temporarily) during the Democrat convention in 1992. The pro-Kerry paper then quoted Democrat chairman Terry McAuliffe as predicting the nominee would gain 8 to 10 percentage points in polls after Boston.